Terrorist plot thwarted?
To put it another way, if you want to quote the Koran, then in the same breath you had better quote the Old Testament which has equally bloodcurdling commands in it.
So which noteworthy elements of Christianity and Judaism are currently taking the various bloodcurdling/bat**** crazy commands in the Old Testament literally, and putting them into practice? Are there significant parts of the Christian population anxious to stone their neighbours to death for failing to prepare this week's burnt offerings correctly?
Ooooo, careful sunshine, or Sunfish.
Your list, below, is definitely seen through rose-coloured glasses.
For any one of the above I can give you 10 or 100 recent (and very scary) examples of where that tolerance is NOT exercised.
Religious secularity is enshrined in the Indonesian constitution. It is protected (ha ha) by law.
The undercurrent of intolerance however is much stronger and becoming more so, year by year.
As for Sulawesi, it encompasses two major regions of Christian majority, both of which are being whittled apart by the effects of state-funded resettlement programs and generous funding to the majority religion.
And who the heck says that the presence of proselytising missionaries in Sulawesi is an indication of tolerance?
I'll guarantee that you won't see any in Banten.
Your list, below, is definitely seen through rose-coloured glasses.
Religious secularity is enshrined in the Indonesian constitution. It is protected (ha ha) by law.
The undercurrent of intolerance however is much stronger and becoming more so, year by year.
As for Sulawesi, it encompasses two major regions of Christian majority, both of which are being whittled apart by the effects of state-funded resettlement programs and generous funding to the majority religion.
And who the heck says that the presence of proselytising missionaries in Sulawesi is an indication of tolerance?
I'll guarantee that you won't see any in Banten.
And here I were, thinking that this was supposed to be an 'Aviation' site....
Back to the thread....??
Now, I wonder where / how the 'magic carpet' story originated...??
All responses considered.
Back to the thread....??
Now, I wonder where / how the 'magic carpet' story originated...??
All responses considered.
It may be noteworthy that they seldom head towards Zen Buddhism or Inuit Shamanism.
As for the magic carpet legend, I seem to remember that it is somehow tied to the Isra al-Mi'raj night journey hadiths, an alternative or supplementary account that involves a carpet instead of Buraq (Bouraq).
See Griffo, there's your aviation content for you.
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Few years back i got myself involved in an 'incident' involving an aircraft. It were after 9/11 so all Oz Police should have been islamic nutter aware...
Just exited aircraft when the PIC got himself in a near scuffle with a group of people approaching the aircraft possibly looking to damage aircraft. Not being fully aware of what were going on I got involved and became the centre of the belligerent groups attention. (Seems to be my lot in life)... Police eventually arrive and I then became the centre of Police attention. Apparently I were deemed to be an anti islamic racist by the belligerent groups leader who happened to be a Doctor and the Police officer were focused on that... possible damage to aircraft be damned.
Eventually somebody higher up the Police chain in command did the maths: Incident involving islamic nutter + Aircraft =
A worried looking Police officer got off his comms and then paid full attention to the 'Doctor'. I went on my way.....
The islamic nutters are only going to get bolder and more aggressive the more we give into them. And what do they want - 72 virgins and an eternal erection. Reads more like a fetish 'religion' dreamed up by a thirteen year old boy..
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Just exited aircraft when the PIC got himself in a near scuffle with a group of people approaching the aircraft possibly looking to damage aircraft. Not being fully aware of what were going on I got involved and became the centre of the belligerent groups attention. (Seems to be my lot in life)... Police eventually arrive and I then became the centre of Police attention. Apparently I were deemed to be an anti islamic racist by the belligerent groups leader who happened to be a Doctor and the Police officer were focused on that... possible damage to aircraft be damned.
Eventually somebody higher up the Police chain in command did the maths: Incident involving islamic nutter + Aircraft =
A worried looking Police officer got off his comms and then paid full attention to the 'Doctor'. I went on my way.....The islamic nutters are only going to get bolder and more aggressive the more we give into them. And what do they want - 72 virgins and an eternal erection. Reads more like a fetish 'religion' dreamed up by a thirteen year old boy..
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I love how when anyone takes the time to research something and comment on it on this site, someone else calls it a rant. Obviously a self appointed genius.
Wingnut:
Another totally wrong blithering idiot appears. Open your C of E book of common prayer at the back and you will find that the Christian religion uses phases of the moon to calculate the date of "moveable feasts" like Easter.
PsychoJoe:
I don't care what you claim to have "studied". Most probably you looked at a few websites that pedal such BS. You obviously have no first hand knowledge of the culture, the language or the societies of islam which are at least as diverse as the different breeds of Christianity. There is no monolithic Islamic religion bent on world domination. To think otherwise is at best paranoia, at worst deliberate racist mischief making.
Islam, like Christianity, has the full spectrum from easy going people like most Indonesians to extremely rigid and unforgiving bastards like the Saudis.
I have seen some of the spectrum in Indonesia, Malaysia and Pakistan, and that includes everything from urbane millionaire businessmen to hill tribesmen who think all western women must be whores. I have also attended some very drunken parties at Eid as I expect one or two other pilots have.
To base national policy on the idea that "the muslims want to kill us all" is the height of folly.
Here is a request; please don't start cutting and pasting surahs from the websites you visit in an effort to recover your position.
Which makes one wonder about their calculation of the Hijra calendar and the continuing use of the moon as the basis for annual events.
Or, more specifically, the rejection of a calendar that is accepted by pretty much all "scientifically advanced" nations and religions.
Or, more specifically, the rejection of a calendar that is accepted by pretty much all "scientifically advanced" nations and religions.
PsychoJoe:
Thanks sunfish. I've studied the Koran and the life of Mohammed at length and going by your ad hominem posts it seems that I've forgotten more about the subject than you'll ever know. Don't confuse nominal Islam with the teachings of Mohammed.
Fortunately whilst your ignorance of history and tenants of Islam may make you feel warm and fuzzy, indeed you may well believe that the biggest existential threat to our civilisation is Judaism or the militant wing of the Salvation Army, or that every would be terrorist should hugged or that every actual muslim terrorist isn't really Muslim. Meanwhile here in reality whilst you're agog in your warm fuzzy delirium, blowing kisses to yourself in the mirror at how righteous you are, there are people working hard behind the scenes and quietly cutting through the pc bs in an effort to stop a mass breakout of Muslim peace.
Fortunately whilst your ignorance of history and tenants of Islam may make you feel warm and fuzzy, indeed you may well believe that the biggest existential threat to our civilisation is Judaism or the militant wing of the Salvation Army, or that every would be terrorist should hugged or that every actual muslim terrorist isn't really Muslim. Meanwhile here in reality whilst you're agog in your warm fuzzy delirium, blowing kisses to yourself in the mirror at how righteous you are, there are people working hard behind the scenes and quietly cutting through the pc bs in an effort to stop a mass breakout of Muslim peace.
Islam, like Christianity, has the full spectrum from easy going people like most Indonesians to extremely rigid and unforgiving bastards like the Saudis.
I have seen some of the spectrum in Indonesia, Malaysia and Pakistan, and that includes everything from urbane millionaire businessmen to hill tribesmen who think all western women must be whores. I have also attended some very drunken parties at Eid as I expect one or two other pilots have.
To base national policy on the idea that "the muslims want to kill us all" is the height of folly.
Here is a request; please don't start cutting and pasting surahs from the websites you visit in an effort to recover your position.
Which makes one wonder about their calculation of the Hijra calendar and the continuing use of the moon as the basis for annual events.
Or, more specifically, the rejection of a calendar that is accepted by pretty much all "scientifically advanced" nations and religions.
Or, more specifically, the rejection of a calendar that is accepted by pretty much all "scientifically advanced" nations and religions.
If we were fully objective, human society has been going for about 12,000 years so by rights, the year should be 12,017. But unfortunately religion of one kind or another permeates everything so people can feel comfortable with their invisible friends.
It's just a pity the world hadn't moved on from all this piffle which seems to have earned for itself some privileged position that excludes it from virtually any criticism. One can criticize someone's football team, personal habits, family, friends but for some reason the element of people's lives that has caused so much death and misery through history marking it as something that should be banned like dangerous drugs but is instead given a shroud of special status.
One suspects this is why there's been a century of abuse before a Royal Commission because of this stupid special rule.
Having said that, one isn't more poisonous than the other. Every group has its demons. It's only 30 or 40 years since 'good Christian members' of the KKK were lynching and beating African Americans by the thousands in the US (no one called them Christian terrorists even though they put their christianity front and centre and used it to justify their actions). Not to mention the numerous terrorist groups operating in Europe in the 70s or the support of the fascists and the Nazis by the Vatican.
We all have very selective memories.
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The C of E moveable feasts are only moveable in the sense that they are moved against the Gregorian calendar to align with lunar phases.
Christmas will not end up in June in 20 years time.
Islamic feasts move (against the lunar phases) but also because the Hijri calendar is based on a calendar year of, lets say, 354 days.
You'd think those scholars might have noticed that.
Exchanging banter in the crew lounge or sundowners with the less-than-faithful is not necessarily going to give you an accurate insight into grass-roots Islam, in Indonesia, Malaysia or Pakistan.
"Firstly I think its a bad idea to back the dictatorships of Iran and Syria as though they are the good guys, they aren't."
So when we sell arms and provide training to the House of Saud, are we backing "the good guys"?
What about Kuwait? Qatar?
The fighting over Syria has become absurd, western backed terrorist groups fighting western backed rebels fighting Russian backed terrorist groups fighting Russian backed rebels fighting each other and with each other. Throw in some sly involvement by Turkey, Jordan and Saudi Arabia and others.
But make no mistake, the west is providing just as much direct and indirect assistance to ISIS and other so called "terror groups" as other non friendly actors are.
The blowback from this is going to be . . . . . interesting!
But we are the "good guys", right?
So when we sell arms and provide training to the House of Saud, are we backing "the good guys"?
What about Kuwait? Qatar?
The fighting over Syria has become absurd, western backed terrorist groups fighting western backed rebels fighting Russian backed terrorist groups fighting Russian backed rebels fighting each other and with each other. Throw in some sly involvement by Turkey, Jordan and Saudi Arabia and others.
But make no mistake, the west is providing just as much direct and indirect assistance to ISIS and other so called "terror groups" as other non friendly actors are.
The blowback from this is going to be . . . . . interesting!
But we are the "good guys", right?
Wingnut: .....You obviously have no first hand knowledge of the culture, the language or the societies of islam which are at least as diverse as the different breeds of Christianity. There is no monolithic Islamic religion bent on world domination. To think otherwise is at best paranoia, at worst deliberate racist mischief making...
islam is not a 'race'. Try getting the basics correct first..
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. ...But make no mistake, the west is providing just as much direct and indirect assistance to ISIS and other so called "terror groups" as other non friendly actors are.
The blowback from this is going to be . . . . . interesting!
But we are the "good guys", right?
The blowback from this is going to be . . . . . interesting!
But we are the "good guys", right?
The investigation is on-going though it looks bad for the obama-clinton gang. Judicial Watch has several on-going lawsuits to uncover the background to events...
"...“These documents are jaw-dropping. No wonder we had to file more FOIA lawsuits and wait over two years for them. If the American people had known the truth – that Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and other top administration officials knew that the Benghazi attack was an al-Qaeda terrorist attack from the get-go – and yet lied and covered this fact up – Mitt Romney might very well be president. And why would the Obama administration continue to support the Muslim Brotherhood even after it knew it was tied to the Benghazi terrorist attack and to al Qaeda? These documents also point to connection between the collapse in Libya and the ISIS war – and confirm that the U.S. knew remarkable details about the transfer of arms from Benghazi to Syrian jihadists,” stated Tom Fitton, Judicial Watch president. “These documents show that the Benghazi cover-up has continued for years and is only unraveling through our independent lawsuits. The Benghazi scandal just got a whole lot worse for Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.”..."
JW: Obama Admin Knew About Benghazi Before It Happened
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"Firstly I think its a bad idea to back the dictatorships of Iran and Syria as though they are the good guys, they aren't."
So when we sell arms and provide training to the House of Saud, are we backing "the good guys"?
What about Kuwait? Qatar?
The fighting over Syria has become absurd, western backed terrorist groups fighting western backed rebels fighting Russian backed terrorist groups fighting Russian backed rebels fighting each other and with each other. Throw in some sly involvement by Turkey, Jordan and Saudi Arabia and others.
But make no mistake, the west is providing just as much direct and indirect assistance to ISIS and other so called "terror groups" as other non friendly actors are.
The blowback from this is going to be . . . . . interesting!
But we are the "good guys", right?
So when we sell arms and provide training to the House of Saud, are we backing "the good guys"?
What about Kuwait? Qatar?
The fighting over Syria has become absurd, western backed terrorist groups fighting western backed rebels fighting Russian backed terrorist groups fighting Russian backed rebels fighting each other and with each other. Throw in some sly involvement by Turkey, Jordan and Saudi Arabia and others.
But make no mistake, the west is providing just as much direct and indirect assistance to ISIS and other so called "terror groups" as other non friendly actors are.
The blowback from this is going to be . . . . . interesting!
But we are the "good guys", right?
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Wingnut:
Another totally wrong blithering idiot appears. Open your C of E book of common prayer at the back and you will find that the Christian religion uses phases of the moon to calculate the date of "moveable feasts" like Easter.
PsychoJoe:
I don't care what you claim to have "studied". Most probably you looked at a few websites that pedal such BS. You obviously have no first hand knowledge of the culture, the language or the societies of islam which are at least as diverse as the different breeds of Christianity. There is no monolithic Islamic religion bent on world domination. To think otherwise is at best paranoia, at worst deliberate racist mischief making.
Islam, like Christianity, has the full spectrum from easy going people like most Indonesians to extremely rigid and unforgiving bastards like the Saudis.
I have seen some of the spectrum in Indonesia, Malaysia and Pakistan, and that includes everything from urbane millionaire businessmen to hill tribesmen who think all western women must be whores. I have also attended some very drunken parties at Eid as I expect one or two other pilots have.
To base national policy on the idea that "the muslims want to kill us all" is the height of folly.
Here is a request; please don't start cutting and pasting surahs from the websites you visit in an effort to recover your position.
Another totally wrong blithering idiot appears. Open your C of E book of common prayer at the back and you will find that the Christian religion uses phases of the moon to calculate the date of "moveable feasts" like Easter.
PsychoJoe:
I don't care what you claim to have "studied". Most probably you looked at a few websites that pedal such BS. You obviously have no first hand knowledge of the culture, the language or the societies of islam which are at least as diverse as the different breeds of Christianity. There is no monolithic Islamic religion bent on world domination. To think otherwise is at best paranoia, at worst deliberate racist mischief making.
Islam, like Christianity, has the full spectrum from easy going people like most Indonesians to extremely rigid and unforgiving bastards like the Saudis.
I have seen some of the spectrum in Indonesia, Malaysia and Pakistan, and that includes everything from urbane millionaire businessmen to hill tribesmen who think all western women must be whores. I have also attended some very drunken parties at Eid as I expect one or two other pilots have.
To base national policy on the idea that "the muslims want to kill us all" is the height of folly.
Here is a request; please don't start cutting and pasting surahs from the websites you visit in an effort to recover your position.
Psycho, I'm not "defending islam" I'm simply pointing out that your arguments are incredible. You give yourself too much credit by suggesting there is any content in your posts that constitutes an attack requiring rebuttal.
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I apologise for wasting yours and everyone else's time. I genuinely thought you might have had something intelligent to say.
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Bolt seems to be blaming the court and council for its decision though i think he's on the wrong track there. islam is a known threat and should be treated as such until such time as the threat is removed - you can hardly blame the courts and council for the problem. The real issue is why have we allowed into Australia the very people that will murder Australians..
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Which makes one wonder about their calculation of the Hijra calendar and the continuing use of the moon as the basis for annual events.
Or, more specifically, the rejection of a calendar that is accepted by pretty much all "scientifically advanced" nations and religions.
Or, more specifically, the rejection of a calendar that is accepted by pretty much all "scientifically advanced" nations and religions.