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Old 17th Jul 2017, 00:27
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WTF? Why are Australians always so pathetically unsupportive of innovation and people with at least the gumption to give stuff a go?

Take this miserable gem from Papa Jo: This mob would have as much hope affiliating themselves with the local McDonald's let alone Qantas or Virgin.
Why would anyone codeshare with them? Just let them go broke instead and the rest is history. Worked well for Air Australia.


Unbelievable.
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Old 17th Jul 2017, 01:36
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I'll certainly be travelling with them. You can spend 30mins just trying to get into SYD these days by car, and that frustration is before the exorbitant parking costs kick-in.

Good luck Jetgo!
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Old 17th Jul 2017, 02:34
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I really hope this works out for JetGo. Surely the Illawarra 's burgeoning population is enough to sustain this.
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Old 17th Jul 2017, 05:39
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Originally Posted by Deano969 View Post
Fairly pessimistic outlook criticalmass...
With Wollongong being Australias 10th largest city and 80km from KSA or well over a 1 hour 15 minute drive, it has amazed me that the likes of REX have not jumped at Albion Park
Gold Coast and Sunshine Coast are both 100k from Brisbane and just 1 hour away and although they are touristy destinations, each support huge passenger numbers
Even Wellcamp is supporting multi-daily flights to Melbourne and Sydney

I think Jetgo will have great success on both routes with exactly the right sized aircraft for the routes and will likely end up 2-3 times daily on each route

Here's why
1) Those getting international connections will likely save money, even with the JetGo fare as there is greater discounting at Brisbane and Melbourne than Sydney
2) Those traveling from the Gong to Brisbane or Melbourne have a greater chance of making it to the airport on time at Albion Park
3) Albion park avoids the F6 M1 and often hours of fun and games and fog etc

JetGo just needs to keep in mind 2 things
1) keep flights on time
2) keep fares reasonable

The rest will take care of itself
how do you get from BNE to either OOL or MCY ? Do you have a porsche 911 turbo & drive fast at 2am, with no concern for speed limit ?

Don't think you'll be able to thru connect bags eg. flying Gong to MEL then international.
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Old 17th Jul 2017, 05:42
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Originally Posted by engine out View Post
I think Qlink pulled the pin as they were retiring the aircraft, but also as Bluescope reduced its flying due to losing money.

International connections won't help looking st Melbourne as they fly to Essendon not Tullamarine, not sure how the times work out in Brisbane.

As much as it tries Wollongong is not a major tourist destination such as the Gold Coast. I'm sure Jetgo will be looking at Wollongong major industries to fill seats, such as the Uni and bluescope,though many of those users like frequency and lounge access.

I do wish the luck and I hope success but I agree that I think in 12 months they will be Jetgone
now that the real estate market has totally collapsed, it's more about the awful state of the economy than anything else.

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Old 17th Jul 2017, 08:14
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Originally Posted by BNEA320 View Post
how do you get from BNE to either OOL or MCY ? Do you have a porsche 911 turbo & drive fast at 2am, with no concern for speed limit ?
BNE - MCY is all motorway at 100-110k, outside peak hour it is legally doable in just over 1 hour
BNE-OOL is also all motorway at 100-110k, outside peak hour it is legally doable in just over 1 hour
Gong-KSA is a lesser distance, however, about 1/2 the journey is main roads that average about 30km per hour, thus the extra travel time up to 90 minutes outside peak

With a local option for Wollongong, it makes no sense to drive 90 minutes each way, then pay ridiculously high parking charges and then deal with KSA to save $30-$50 a seat and on top of that run the risk of one accident or breakdown having you miss your flight

If JetGo were to scheduled their flights at 7.00am-10.00am or 4.00pm-7.00pm this would make them even more attractive as traveling to and from Sydney at these times would be at least a 2 hour trip
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Old 17th Jul 2017, 10:04
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Originally Posted by Deano969 View Post
BNE - MCY is all motorway at 100-110k, outside peak hour it is legally doable in just over 1 hour
BNE-OOL is also all motorway at 100-110k, outside peak hour it is legally doable in just over 1 hour
Gong-KSA is a lesser distance, however, about 1/2 the journey is main roads that average about 30km per hour, thus the extra travel time up to 90 minutes outside peak

With a local option for Wollongong, it makes no sense to drive 90 minutes each way, then pay ridiculously high parking charges and then deal with KSA to save $30-$50 a seat and on top of that run the risk of one accident or breakdown having you miss your flight

If JetGo were to scheduled their flights at 7.00am-10.00am or 4.00pm-7.00pm this would make them even more attractive as traveling to and from Sydney at these times would be at least a 2 hour trip
Drive BNE/OOL every week & BNE/MCY twice a week & you're nuts if you think you can do either in less than 90 mins, esp MCY with all the roadworks from BNE to Bruce hwy.
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Old 17th Jul 2017, 19:35
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Originally Posted by XPT View Post
Drive BNE/OOL every week & BNE/MCY twice a week & you're nuts if you think you can do either in less than 90 mins, esp MCY with all the roadworks from BNE to Bruce hwy.
Good friend of mine drives daily Acacia Ridge to Kunda Park (Maroochydore) daily in a 12T truck speed limited to 100k and does the trip in 1 hour 20 minutes except if there are any incidents
9/10 trips are 1 hour 20 minutes or less

Depending where in Brisbane you start from, you can do the trip in under 1 hour from the north side on a good day
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Old 18th Jul 2017, 08:42
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Originally Posted by BNEA320 View Post
now that the real estate market has totally collapsed, it's more about the awful state of the economy than anything else.
Been looking to buy in Qld for a while, barring Moranbah, where has it collapsed?
You trot this out pretty often.
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Old 18th Jul 2017, 10:46
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are you serious ? eg. There's a major glut of units in Brisbane. Many people are now buying heavily reduced units rather than houses, which is driving down the price of houses.

Lots of units hitting rental market, also means drop in yields for houses & units. A drop in yields basically means the houses/units are worth less to an investor, who bases the purchase price on what ROI they can get. Same thing to a lesser extent in SYD & MEL. If you believe the rubbish in the media, you're a bit silly. Remember the media earns many billions a year in real estate advertising & the media will try & talk it up, even when interest rateas rise a lot.

We buy & sell a lot of real estate. Last 12 months sold a lot. Now making many rough offers & some are being accepted. Start at 50% of asking price.

Bank repos are increasing as well.
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Old 18th Jul 2017, 14:55
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Originally Posted by BNEA320 View Post
are you serious ? eg. There's a major glut of units in Brisbane. Many people are now buying heavily reduced units rather than houses, which is driving down the price of houses.

Lots of units hitting rental market, also means drop in yields for houses & units. A drop in yields basically means the houses/units are worth less to an investor, who bases the purchase price on what ROI they can get. Same thing to a lesser extent in SYD & MEL. If you believe the rubbish in the media, you're a bit silly. Remember the media earns many billions a year in real estate advertising & the media will try & talk it up, even when interest rateas rise a lot.

We buy & sell a lot of real estate. Last 12 months sold a lot. Now making many rough offers & some are being accepted. Start at 50% of asking price.

Bank repos are increasing as well.
Anyone who has bought a unit in the centre of Brissie in the last few years needed their head read, looming oversupply was pretty obvious.
A bit of a glut is hardly the world falling apart. Immigration will sort it out in good time.
The houses I am looking at have increased in price over the last year, quality wins in the end.
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Old 19th Jul 2017, 06:29
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Originally Posted by Tankengine View Post
Anyone who has bought a unit in the centre of Brissie in the last few years needed their head read, looming oversupply was pretty obvious.
A bit of a glut is hardly the world falling apart. Immigration will sort it out in good time.
The houses I am looking at have increased in price over the last year, quality wins in the end.
A valuation is not a sale.

Standard real estate salesmen line ...

your house will sell for $2m

Oh the market has tightened/crashed, you'll have to take $1.5m now, (quickly so I get my huge commission)

Banks are tightening up/rental yields are dropping/Chinese tightening up on funny money leaving the country. I'd say we're in for a massive recession.

It seems anyone under about 45 years of age, can't remember the last recession.

The worse places to buy right now are SYD, MEL, BNE in that order, unless you can buy at the right price. Anyone who pays asking price now is a fool & will get burnt badly.
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Old 19th Jul 2017, 07:30
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I'd say we're in for a massive recession.
Yes, you KEEP saying it on EVERY thread.

Nocookies | The Australian

They do not raise rates as we enter a recession do they?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-1...inutes/8719438

Dollar surges as the WORLD but not BNEA320, factors in rate rises.
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Old 19th Jul 2017, 07:43
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Pfft, what would the RBA know? Travel agents are the ones who really have their finger on the pulse.

BNEA320/XPT, is it difficult to keep track of which username you're posting under?
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Old 19th Jul 2017, 11:55
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001 View Post
Yes, you KEEP saying it on EVERY thread.

Nocookies | The Australian

They do not raise rates as we enter a recession do they?

Reserve Bank minutes: 'Neutral' interest rate rate around 3.5pc, Australian dollar surges - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Dollar surges as the WORLD but not BNEA320, factors in rate rises.
wow you don;t get it do you ? Have you ever been through a recession? We have to have one. Growth has to end.

Its started. If you can't see it, you read too much crap in the newspapers who are trying to sell stuff, like overpriced real estate. musical chairs !!! Just don't be the last mug punter left or you'll be stuffed.

Have you read about all the real estate that didn't sell & vendors pulled it off the market. NO, cos the media doesn't want to report about that.


Think about this. Units sold off the plan for $1m with 10% deposit. On completion they are worth $800k or less probably. No one would be stupid enough to finalise on those figures, so they'll walk & there will be many developments like this in SYD, MEL & already in BNE & a glut of units, with all the developers taking anything they can get. (ok they got to keep the 10% deposit, but they will have to sell them at BIG discounts to move them)
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Old 19th Jul 2017, 12:29
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As usual BNE320, expert on most things, only is looking at the apartment market. Try buying something nice in New Farm. Prices in good suburbs are going up...
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Old 19th Jul 2017, 13:49
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Originally Posted by TBM-Legend View Post
As usual BNE320, expert on most things, only is looking at the apartment market. Try buying something nice in New Farm. Prices in good suburbs are going up...
no everything is crashing. If people can get cheap apartments they will buy one rather than a house. Doesn't take much of a drop in demand to turn it into a buyers market. Have been involved in buying & selling real estate since just before the big crash in 1974, when many houses sold for 1/2 asking price. Paid for my retirement at 40. Anyone under 35 years, seems to have no idea of how a recession works.

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Old 19th Jul 2017, 22:11
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Jetgo are flying an Embraer jet down to land at YWOL today for a media event. Winds are forecast westerly 15 to 25 kts. Not sure what the maximum crosswind for their jets is, but they will only be able to use runway 34/16 as they are overweight for 26/08.

Could be an interesting landing, or if it's too difficult, a few attempts and then head for home?
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Old 20th Jul 2017, 01:47
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wow you don;t get it do you ? Have you ever been through a recession? We have to have one. Growth has to end.
Yes I do.

Yes.

No.

Possibly.

You keep using apartments sales and a general real estate downturn to argue we are in recession. We are not. We also do not look like heading that way at present.

Do YOU get what a recession is?
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Old 20th Jul 2017, 03:14
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For what it's worth, the only times I have seen airline hiring like this was 1989 (recession we had to have followed), 2001 (tech wreck recession+Sept 11 + Ansett folowed), 2008 (GFC followed).

...No pattern there.
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