Game Over 457 scam?
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Dept of Health in West Australia and Queensland Health are the largest employers of overseas workers on 457 Visas. I wonder what will happen to their health systems and services.........???
With apprenticeships down over 40% in the past decade and many Australians not interested in an apprenticeship (the national cancelation rate is 60%), I wonder how Australian employers will fill the skills gap........???
95,000 workers in Australia on 457 Visas, despite all the cost, hassles and months to engage an overseas worker. There is obviously a labour requirement which can't be met with Australians, particularly in rural and remote Australia?
With apprenticeships down over 40% in the past decade and many Australians not interested in an apprenticeship (the national cancelation rate is 60%), I wonder how Australian employers will fill the skills gap........???
95,000 workers in Australia on 457 Visas, despite all the cost, hassles and months to engage an overseas worker. There is obviously a labour requirement which can't be met with Australians, particularly in rural and remote Australia?
Or maybe we need to invest in a local skill base. Companies and the government play this stupid game of isolating everybody's skill set and ignoring the bigger picture. Nobody will hire on potential.
Why on earth is it so hard to get into Medicine yet we are importing over a 1000 doctors a year? Are they really of the same calibre and the same standard?
Same with aviation. Why is it that the locals can have enormous amounts of experience yet companies can just ignore this and hire foreigners who would be laugh at if they were Australians due to their lack of experience. But they have a type rating.
Why on earth is it so hard to get into Medicine yet we are importing over a 1000 doctors a year? Are they really of the same calibre and the same standard?
Same with aviation. Why is it that the locals can have enormous amounts of experience yet companies can just ignore this and hire foreigners who would be laugh at if they were Australians due to their lack of experience. But they have a type rating.
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Neville.
One reason - right or wrong - currently the average period of employment of an Aussie is two years, then the recruitment of a new employee and training starts all over again. An employee can quit on seven days notice, employing and training a new employee can take months. The loss of a key trades person or middle manager can be near disastrous to a small business.
A 457 worker gives up to four years stable employment.
One reason - right or wrong - currently the average period of employment of an Aussie is two years, then the recruitment of a new employee and training starts all over again. An employee can quit on seven days notice, employing and training a new employee can take months. The loss of a key trades person or middle manager can be near disastrous to a small business.
A 457 worker gives up to four years stable employment.
I don't think that's correct. The last decent study of average job tenure was back in 2014 and it had average job tenure for Australians at 3 years and 4 months. By age group that broke down to 1 year 8 months for under 25 year olds (largely unchanged since 1975!), 2 years 8 months for 25 - 34 year olds, 4 years for 35 - 44 year olds and 6 years 8 months for over 45 year olds. It should be noted that job tenure was role based; promotions and transfers within the same company were counted as "new" jobs.
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"Dept of Health in West Australia and Queensland Health are the largest employers of overseas workers on 457 Visas. I wonder what will happen to their health systems and services.........???"
Always seemed passing strange to me. I know there are wheels within wheels that drive these things, some of which are not apparent to ordinary laypersons.
My daughter graduated from a Queensland university with distinctions in Nursing.
She was required to complete post graduate practical work before she could actually practice as a nurse. She tried for over a year to get into a post grad course without success and in frustration moved to Sydney. She paid good money to an agency in Sydney who claimed to be able to secure a place for her if she completed various courses provided by them and work in jobs on the fringe of the health industry. Another year has passed and she is still waiting for a slot mostly doing part time work as a nursing aid, cleaner in Aged care facilities, or reception work in medical clinics.
I can understand her despair as she was highly motivated and anxious to progress in her chosen career only to see jobs she dreamed of taken by 457 visa holders.
I can also understand the angst of those young airmen and women who have paid their dues, worked diligently to achieve their dream, only to see 457 visa holders filling vacancies because its cheaper and easier than providing training.
Always seemed passing strange to me. I know there are wheels within wheels that drive these things, some of which are not apparent to ordinary laypersons.
My daughter graduated from a Queensland university with distinctions in Nursing.
She was required to complete post graduate practical work before she could actually practice as a nurse. She tried for over a year to get into a post grad course without success and in frustration moved to Sydney. She paid good money to an agency in Sydney who claimed to be able to secure a place for her if she completed various courses provided by them and work in jobs on the fringe of the health industry. Another year has passed and she is still waiting for a slot mostly doing part time work as a nursing aid, cleaner in Aged care facilities, or reception work in medical clinics.
I can understand her despair as she was highly motivated and anxious to progress in her chosen career only to see jobs she dreamed of taken by 457 visa holders.
I can also understand the angst of those young airmen and women who have paid their dues, worked diligently to achieve their dream, only to see 457 visa holders filling vacancies because its cheaper and easier than providing training.
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"Dept of Health in West Australia and Queensland Health are the largest employers of overseas workers on 457 Visas. I wonder what will happen to their health systems and services.........???"
Always seemed passing strange to me. I know there are wheels within wheels that drive these things, some of which are not apparent to ordinary laypersons.
My daughter graduated from a Queensland university with distinctions in Nursing.
She was required to complete post graduate practical work before she could actually practice as a nurse. She tried for over a year to get into a post grad course without success and in frustration moved to Sydney. She paid good money to an agency in Sydney who claimed to be able to secure a place for her if she completed various courses provided by them and work in jobs on the fringe of the health industry. Another year has passed and she is still waiting for a slot mostly doing part time work as a nursing aid, cleaner in Aged care facilities, or reception work in medical clinics.
I can understand her despair as she was highly motivated and anxious to progress in her chosen career only to see jobs she dreamed of taken by 457 visa holders.
I can also understand the angst of those young airmen and women who have paid their dues, worked diligently to achieve their dream, only to see 457 visa holders filling vacancies because its cheaper and easier than providing training.
Always seemed passing strange to me. I know there are wheels within wheels that drive these things, some of which are not apparent to ordinary laypersons.
My daughter graduated from a Queensland university with distinctions in Nursing.
She was required to complete post graduate practical work before she could actually practice as a nurse. She tried for over a year to get into a post grad course without success and in frustration moved to Sydney. She paid good money to an agency in Sydney who claimed to be able to secure a place for her if she completed various courses provided by them and work in jobs on the fringe of the health industry. Another year has passed and she is still waiting for a slot mostly doing part time work as a nursing aid, cleaner in Aged care facilities, or reception work in medical clinics.
I can understand her despair as she was highly motivated and anxious to progress in her chosen career only to see jobs she dreamed of taken by 457 visa holders.
I can also understand the angst of those young airmen and women who have paid their dues, worked diligently to achieve their dream, only to see 457 visa holders filling vacancies because its cheaper and easier than providing training.
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Yes, there is such a thing as too much immigration
TIM COLEBATCH
20 APRIL 2017
Between 2008 and 2016, in net terms, the Australian labour market expanded by 474,000 full-time jobs. But only 74,000 of them went to people born in Australia. That’s fewer than one in six.
That’s not because the Australian-born are a small minority. Two-thirds of all working-age residents of this country were born here. Yet roughly three-quarters of the growth in full-time jobs since the global financial crisis has gone to recent migrants.
I am unambiguously pro-immigration, but if the level and nature of the immigration are not working for us, I suggest we turn down the tap.
Australian Bureau of Statistics figures ignored by analysts reveal that of those 474,000 new full-time jobs, in net terms, 364,000 have been filled by migrants who have arrived in Australia since 2001 – most of them since the GFC.
It is a stunning demonstration of why the Turnbull government had no choice yesterday but to flag the replacement of the 457 visa program, under which many of those migrants have arrived here. They have come from all parts of the world, but almost half are from one part: the Indian subcontinent. While only a net 74,000 full-time jobs have been generated since 2008 for workers born in Australia, a staggering 168,000 of them have been generated for workers born in India and its neighbours.
TIM COLEBATCH
20 APRIL 2017
Between 2008 and 2016, in net terms, the Australian labour market expanded by 474,000 full-time jobs. But only 74,000 of them went to people born in Australia. That’s fewer than one in six.
That’s not because the Australian-born are a small minority. Two-thirds of all working-age residents of this country were born here. Yet roughly three-quarters of the growth in full-time jobs since the global financial crisis has gone to recent migrants.
I am unambiguously pro-immigration, but if the level and nature of the immigration are not working for us, I suggest we turn down the tap.
Australian Bureau of Statistics figures ignored by analysts reveal that of those 474,000 new full-time jobs, in net terms, 364,000 have been filled by migrants who have arrived in Australia since 2001 – most of them since the GFC.
It is a stunning demonstration of why the Turnbull government had no choice yesterday but to flag the replacement of the 457 visa program, under which many of those migrants have arrived here. They have come from all parts of the world, but almost half are from one part: the Indian subcontinent. While only a net 74,000 full-time jobs have been generated since 2008 for workers born in Australia, a staggering 168,000 of them have been generated for workers born in India and its neighbours.
From the conclusion (my bold)
Our future depends on Australians developing the skills to maintain a high-income, technologically advanced country in an increasingly competitive world. We made a mistake in following the US model of importing skilled labour and leaving the young in the rustbelt to scrape by as best they can. There are many reasons why our migrant workers are not generating enough demand to replace the jobs they have taken: what is clear is that our current system is not working for those who were born and raised here.
Thorn Bird, you should follow up one of the links in the article about the glut of GP's coming in under 457's, I wonder if it is a similar case for Nurses.
look at the number of Australian pilots plying their trade overseas. One has to ask why they choose to go overseas rather than work for local companies, who are then so short they have to employ 457 visa pilots. $$$$$$$$??
The majority of 457 visa holders I have come across were doing jobs that wouldn't be hard to fill with locals. The fact is they were being paid way less than what locals would accept. I used to work with a guy who was here on a 457 visa and he was getting paid 100k a year to fill an upper management position. The aussie he replaced was on 150k.
The majority of 457 visa holders I have come across were doing jobs that wouldn't be hard to fill with locals. The fact is they were being paid way less than what locals would accept. I used to work with a guy who was here on a 457 visa and he was getting paid 100k a year to fill an upper management position. The aussie he replaced was on 150k.
There isn't a skills shortage in Australia and the use of that term was misleading on the governments behalf. There is however a dire shortage of skilled workers willing to work under third world conditions for fvck all, and that's because we are not India. When the government conveniently omitted that distinction, they showed their hand and where they intend to send Australia. If you believe other statistics, we are the hardest working people in the developed world, not hard enough it seems.
Good riddance 457!
The majority of 457 visa holders I have come across were doing jobs that wouldn't be hard to fill with locals. The fact is they were being paid way less than what locals would accept. I used to work with a guy who was here on a 457 visa and he was getting paid 100k a year to fill an upper management position. The aussie he replaced was on 150k.
Uno,
Sorry to rain on your parade but both individuals concerned were very good at their jobs.
The position became vacant due to retirement. The 457 visa holder left within a year because he quickly realised he was getting short changed.
Sorry to rain on your parade but both individuals concerned were very good at their jobs.
The position became vacant due to retirement. The 457 visa holder left within a year because he quickly realised he was getting short changed.
And he probably performs better than the aussie he replaced. Employers prefer 457 visa employees because they work harder, whinge less, take less "sickies" and do not have a sense of entitlement. Oh and they cost less, not necessarily in immediate $ terms, eg liability, retirement benefits etc etc.....