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AirAsia: Why are they still here?

Old 2nd Nov 2016, 13:50
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Shouldn't be doing anymore than 10kts during a 180 on the runway, as the cockpit goes over the edge during the turn there isn't much margin for error and this is a procedure best done slowly and carefully. Speed can be difficult to judge especially at night so monitoring the ground speed readout is essential.
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Old 2nd Nov 2016, 22:23
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Originally Posted by Metro man View Post
Shouldn't be doing anymore than 10kts during a 180 on the runway, as the cockpit goes over the edge during the turn there isn't much margin for error and this is a procedure best done slowly and carefully. Speed can be difficult to judge especially at night so monitoring the ground speed readout is essential.
Good armchair advice. Monitor the instruments while taxiing instead of looking outside so that one doesn't make an excursion...
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Old 3rd Nov 2016, 01:02
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It takes less than 1 second to glance at the instruments and check the speed. I fly in the left hand seat of the A320 and 180' turns on a runway with no turn pad are Captains only for us.

The procedure is given in the FCOM and I've done it more times than I can remember, without going off into the grass.

Probably not a problem for Flight Sim gamers.
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Old 3rd Nov 2016, 02:58
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Originally Posted by Duck Pilot View Post
It's only a matter of time before an Australian carrier has a haul loss resulting in major fatalities.
Really? You bag out other people for being unconstructive and negative and then you make this comment.
Care to elaborate on your thoughts as to why this is so inevitable?
PS It's "hull" loss.
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Old 3rd Nov 2016, 03:29
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Bug smasher, Sadly it will happen, it's not a matter of if, it's when? Only way to prevent an accident is to put everything on the ground.

We need to be working globally together on safety, not independently.
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Old 3rd Nov 2016, 03:34
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D!ck Pilot you didn't answer the question, please elaborate on why you think QF/VA/JQ/TT are about to destroy an aircraft?
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Old 3rd Nov 2016, 04:02
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I thought Australian pilots were the best in the world and never make mistakes? Only management does?
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Old 3rd Nov 2016, 04:19
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Never predicted that any specific operator will loose one, could happen to anyone.

If some people seriously believe that an Australian aircraft will never be involved in an accident in the future, we then have a few complacency issues within our industry.

Enough said!

Fly safe
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Old 3rd Nov 2016, 04:27
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Interesting that the article doesn't include the most preventable of all: Incorrect entry of the POS Lat/Long in SYD, resulting in the aircraft. Seen them blatantly disregard NOTAM about rolling through to K in Goldie when landing. Nothing racist about not trusting this airline, merely stating what happens. They regularly have problems in Oz.
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Old 3rd Nov 2016, 04:38
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Hogger60 - Just like the time a QF 737 landed in BNE on 19 and took the second rapid even though it was NOTAM'd out! I think there were a few go arounds that evening. To make matters worse, Tiger did it the next day.....
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Old 3rd Nov 2016, 14:34
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"Incorrect entry of the POS Lat/Long in SYD"

Care to remember the QF 744 that launched out of SYD with the IR's flashing "align" because the skipper didnt know how they worked?????
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Old 4th Nov 2016, 02:53
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And remember when a Qantas pilot entered the lat and long for Gate nnn at Gatwick instead the same numbered gate at Heathrow? Service departed, dumped tens of tonnes of fuel to return to LHR only to discover a very embarrassing error. Even the Sky Gods are fallible.
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Old 4th Nov 2016, 03:36
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Yes, mistakes happen but at least QF didn't make it worse....

As for why are Air Asia still here? Because if we banned them, then suddenly clearances into the Malaysian FIR might be very very hard obtain, making ops in and out of Singapore entertaining.

Similar reason why Garuda are here.
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Old 4th Nov 2016, 04:26
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So when Europe and the US banned Garuda did US and European carriers have right of entry issues or overfly rights issues?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedoms_of_the_air
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Old 4th Nov 2016, 05:55
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Icarus2001,

So far as I know, "no". Loss of Indonesian overflight rights to Australian carriers would be a significant impediment to their operations to the Middle East,India, South East Asia, North Asia and Japan.
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Old 4th Nov 2016, 08:12
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Freedom of the air is all well and good until:

1. Ostensibly "random" audits always find things. We all know that an auditor can find anything if he digs deep enough, or are creative in interpretations
2. Every so often, there is a clearance that is denied to an enroute aircraft due to some magical administrative error.

As for the Americans, how many US airlines go through Malaysia / Indo as a percentage of their routes?

And same for the Europeans. Additionally, an individual airline there has the ability to say it wasn't actually us, it was the [insert other Euro country here] that drove the ban.

If QF was to be denied access to Indo airspace it would probably bankrupt them.
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Old 4th Nov 2016, 08:23
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I really find it hard to believe that IF CASA ever developed the belief that an overseas carrier was "unsafe" to the point of restricting their operations into Australia that said country would restrict access to their FIR, that is a whole new level of belligerence.

Air Asia is a Malaysian based company (D7 for X) so theories about the Indonesian FIR do not really apply but i take the broader point in regard to Indonesian carriers (QZ included).
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Old 6th Nov 2016, 22:53
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This thread is drifting a little. I will say this about the ignorant posts of aviation in Indonesia
General and RPT. When one considers a couple of factors regarding ops in all Indo Fir's being the amount ( quantity/frequency) and the conditions ( met ) and how the atc up there do a pretty good job of administering and controlling. The output of what aviation achieves in the region is actually bloody impressive. Air Asia is just another kettle of fish and you could not pay me a handsome sum to fly with them.....anywhere. Do not mix this up or tar the indo's with the same brush. They are not the same.
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