New Qantas Uniform
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Where's the sense of self respect and dignity?
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Originally Posted by IsDon
Maybe that's because the RAAFies had to earn wings.
Retirees have many years vested in the history of Qantas.
Gen Y cadets and the like just bought theirs.
Retirees have many years vested in the history of Qantas.
Gen Y cadets and the like just bought theirs.
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Originally Posted by 2EggOmelette
It just occurred to me, if you remove the wings, it is the same uniform as an Italian traffic cop wears.
The Italian uniforms are considerably more stylish - even without the white Sam Browne.
To me, it indicates that the designer (and those that approved it) have little appreciation of the elements that combine to communicate the seniority and responsibility of the wearer.
I'll be the first to agree that rows of brass buttons and scrambled eggs are passé - but.. having flight deck crew looking like Luna Park ticket-takers is another matter.
Some serious thought and design work on the cap badge is required.
As others have noted, the brevet design and placement also needs a think.
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Dr Dre
You keep harping on about how the new uniform is respectful and representative of our history and past uniforms, and on the other hand you toss away any thoughts (of people who have probably been wearing and representing this company a lot longer than you) that the stylised coat of arms, southern cross, metal wings (just above the pocket) and everything else about the current uniform also represent certain aspects of the company's tradition and history.
So which way is it? You either care about history and tradition, or you don't. I guess you're too busy defending a uniform you don't really give a shit about.
NowThatsFunny
You keep harping on about how the new uniform is respectful and representative of our history and past uniforms, and on the other hand you toss away any thoughts (of people who have probably been wearing and representing this company a lot longer than you) that the stylised coat of arms, southern cross, metal wings (just above the pocket) and everything else about the current uniform also represent certain aspects of the company's tradition and history.
So which way is it? You either care about history and tradition, or you don't. I guess you're too busy defending a uniform you don't really give a shit about.
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Originally Posted by IsDon View Post
Maybe that's because the RAAFies had to earn wings.
Retirees have many years vested in the history of Qantas.
Gen Y cadets and the like just bought theirs.
Maybe that's because the RAAFies had to earn wings.
Retirees have many years vested in the history of Qantas.
Gen Y cadets and the like just bought theirs.
RAAFies....got to fly on my parents coin. Definitely need a big set of wings to stroke that ego....
Met a new Capt yesterday...only took him less than a minute to say 'when I was in the RAAF' 
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Originally Posted by goodonyamate
Retirees have nothing vested in Qantas...you were an employee...nothing more, nothing less....
RAAFies....got to fly on my parents coin. Definitely need a big set of wings to stroke that ego.... Met a new Capt yesterday...only took him less than a minute to say 'when I was in the RAAF'
RAAFies....got to fly on my parents coin. Definitely need a big set of wings to stroke that ego....
Met a new Capt yesterday...only took him less than a minute to say 'when I was in the RAAF' Can pick one a mile off.
Dry your eyes princess!
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I think people will begin to like the uniform when they see the real thing. However, I do agree metal wings would of been nice.
The white part of the hat is actually a type of bonded rubber, so it will clean very easily. They did a lot of testing with it. Also the uniform was designed with a large amount of pilot input. They made many changes based on early testing from groups of pilots. Also when you look at the survey's many of them were sitting right in the 50/50 mark of what pilots wanted, so the designer was always going to have a hard time pleasing everyone. The actual quality and cut of the uniforms is a huge improvement also.
The white part of the hat is actually a type of bonded rubber, so it will clean very easily. They did a lot of testing with it. Also the uniform was designed with a large amount of pilot input. They made many changes based on early testing from groups of pilots. Also when you look at the survey's many of them were sitting right in the 50/50 mark of what pilots wanted, so the designer was always going to have a hard time pleasing everyone. The actual quality and cut of the uniforms is a huge improvement also.
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Originally Posted by Shadowfromthesky
I think people will begin to like the uniform when they see the real thing. However, I do agree metal wings would of been nice.
The white part of the hat is actually a type of bonded rubber, so it will clean very easily. They did a lot of testing with it. Also the uniform was designed with a large amount of pilot input. They made many changes based on early testing from groups of pilots. Also when you look at the survey's many of them were sitting right in the 50/50 mark of what pilots wanted, so the designer was always going to have a hard time pleasing everyone. The actual quality and cut of the uniforms is a huge improvement also.
The white part of the hat is actually a type of bonded rubber, so it will clean very easily. They did a lot of testing with it. Also the uniform was designed with a large amount of pilot input. They made many changes based on early testing from groups of pilots. Also when you look at the survey's many of them were sitting right in the 50/50 mark of what pilots wanted, so the designer was always going to have a hard time pleasing everyone. The actual quality and cut of the uniforms is a huge improvement also.
The main issue people have is with the wings, epaulettes and cap badge. You know, the things that turn a suit into a uniform. None of these were shown to any of us before the reveal. Even the models had to sign non disclosure clauses.
What bizarre behaviour. Making pilots sign a non disclosure to keep other pilots from finding out what they will wear before the general public.
That just shows the whole focus was on the reveal, the event and how much publicity they could get. The focus should have been on producing something that the people actually wearing the thing would be happy with.
A colossal cock up.
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Not sure if your info is entirely correct. There were a group of pilots that had seen the hat, and even tested out the wings months before the models signed the NDA. They even changed the backing of the wings because it had two clips which would push on a persons chest when wearing the 5 point harness, so they changed the backing of the wings to something more comfortable. Who knows, maybe they will change the wings if a lot of people don't like them.
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They even changed the backing of the wings because it had two clips which would push on a persons chest when wearing the 5 point harness
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Originally Posted by IsDon
Even the models had to sign non disclosure clauses.
Good waste of $300k plus in the reveal, wages of 50 plus "models", actual models and let alone the cost of the design process. Hopefully QF don't cry poor anytime soon asking for a government bailout.
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The main issue people have is with the wings, epaulettes and cap badge.
Edit: sorry IsDon, not directed at you individually, you just had a good quote. I'm just getting annoyed about this molehill being made into a mountain on multiple forums!
Now personally I like the cap badge and epaulettes (the wings I'm not thrilled about), but really there is almost as much outrage about this here as there was about the lock out. Get a grip, if the job and uniform defines you that much you have bigger issues.
