New Qantas Uniform
If only he'd googled, QANTAS pilot uniform history.
It looks like the original wings had a LION on them, maybe to signify the link up between Qantas and Imperial airways in 1935? Hence why they were known as Qantas Empire Airways?
And I can't see the current coat of arms replicated on any cap badge until after nationalisation post WW2. In fact after trying to google a few pictures of the 30's and 40's era uniforms reveals few clear results, but from what I can ascertain in that era either it was the cap badge with the kangaroo and the lion or a badge with neither during the war years. Happy to be corrected if anyone has any more accurate info?
But if that's the case, I don't think the pilots of the 50's to 90's thought their insignia disrespected the insignia of the 30's-40's?
Last edited by dr dre; 2nd May 2016 at 03:07.
Alright.
The general vibe is its crap. Looks crap. It is crap.
Are you all prepared to stand up and fight this? Refuse? There is a massive cost saving to QF by NOT changing tech crew uniforms despite the dollars already spent on fashion parades. The current ones are perfectly suitable.
Bickering on pprune, qrewroom etc is one thing. But what are you going to do? Seriously?
The general vibe is its crap. Looks crap. It is crap.
Are you all prepared to stand up and fight this? Refuse? There is a massive cost saving to QF by NOT changing tech crew uniforms despite the dollars already spent on fashion parades. The current ones are perfectly suitable.
Bickering on pprune, qrewroom etc is one thing. But what are you going to do? Seriously?
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Seriously, I'm going to put it on and think, "who the f### really cares".
The current uniform is rubbish and there's way more important things to fight about than whether or not I look like Capt Stubing when I turn up to work.
The current uniform is rubbish and there's way more important things to fight about than whether or not I look like Capt Stubing when I turn up to work.
Seriously, I'm going to put it on and think, "who the f### really cares".
The current uniform is rubbish
The current uniform is rubbish
At the end of the day I think at least 80% of pilots don't care one bit what they're wearing, as long as it's practical.
Those who vehemently dislike it have a right to their opinion, but not to believe that's the solid unified opinion of all pilots. Everyone I've spoken to directly, either likes the new uniform, doesn't care or doesn't dislike it to the point of pure hatred. And most say it's better than the current version. I'll admit they tend to be of a younger demographic, and stay well away from qrewroom.
And it's a moot point anyway. There may be very minor changes made, but essentially what you saw on Friday is the end product, and that'll be the end of the story.
Last edited by dr dre; 2nd May 2016 at 17:18.
Seems to be the raafies and retirees that are bothered greatly
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Its a set of wings, just different.
The cap badge is a little odd though.
Nice try but you're holding on too tight mav
Its a set of wings, just different.
The cap badge is a little odd though.
Nice try but you're holding on too tight mav
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I'm ex RAAF and I don't mind it at all.
I would suggest a change to the cap badge but won't lay awake at night if it does not happen - it is a corporate wardrobe and (noting that beauty is in the eye of the beholder) in my view, better than the current one.
I certainly earned my RAAF wings and lost some skin and hair as an 18/19 year old doing so but the reality is, whilst still securely serving, I filled out a form, did some tests, flew a sim and sat an interview for my Qantas job (who happened to be the first employer to say yes - I think I had 3 other live applications and was at various stages with those other airlines), and the wings came with the uniform fitting before I had even flown a Qantas aircraft.
I got handed a second stripe after my PUIT trip with a few mumbles and that was it and I did not expect anything; I had left HM's service and was now in civilian employment.
See you out there in the new gear people!
I would suggest a change to the cap badge but won't lay awake at night if it does not happen - it is a corporate wardrobe and (noting that beauty is in the eye of the beholder) in my view, better than the current one.
I certainly earned my RAAF wings and lost some skin and hair as an 18/19 year old doing so but the reality is, whilst still securely serving, I filled out a form, did some tests, flew a sim and sat an interview for my Qantas job (who happened to be the first employer to say yes - I think I had 3 other live applications and was at various stages with those other airlines), and the wings came with the uniform fitting before I had even flown a Qantas aircraft.
I got handed a second stripe after my PUIT trip with a few mumbles and that was it and I did not expect anything; I had left HM's service and was now in civilian employment.
See you out there in the new gear people!
Well said ^^^
I didnt think i implied any disrespect in my previous observation
Some people see it everywhere
I didnt think i implied any disrespect in my previous observation
Some people see it everywhere
Maybe that's because the RAAFies had to earn wings.
Retirees have many years vested in the history of Qantas.
Gen Y cadets and the like just bought theirs.
Retirees have many years vested in the history of Qantas.
Gen Y cadets and the like just bought theirs.
It's funny how all this talk about how changing the insignia on the wings and cap badge disrespects history, yet I've never in my time heard anyone complain or even point out that the roo and emu on the wings were ON THE WRONG SIDE! So why all the fuss now?
I believe the new wings are respectful to our past (the kangaroo symbol) whilst removing something that I personally consider now superfluous to the uniform (the coat of arms symbol, even though it will remain on the tie pin) and something that was misrepresented (the southern cross). I'll most definitely be wearing the uniform with pride and I look forward to our gen Y (or other) new recruits who also thoroughly earned their position and their wings to be wearing them with pride.
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The general vibe is its crap. Looks crap. It is crap.
Are you all prepared to stand up and fight this? Refuse? There is a massive cost saving to QF by NOT changing tech crew uniforms despite the dollars already spent on fashion parades. The current ones are perfectly suitabLe.
Only pick the fights you can win.
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.....roo and emu on the wings were ON THE WRONG SIDE! So why all the fuss now?
The point is, many Qantas pilots like it for what it represents. I couldn't give a stuff that it's not the same of the Aussie coat of arms or that the Roo and Emu are reversed from the Aussie coat of arms. It's A coat of arms that has proudly adorned both my wings and my cap badge for the last 21 years. Before that it adorned my QFTS wings. It's been a part of me for more than half my life and I don't like it being thrown on the scrap heap in the name of 'fashion'.
I've never complained about it because I understood it's meaning and history as did most crew I ever discussed the meaning with. It's interesting though dr dre (funnily enough the iPad initially auto corrected that to 'der' which caused me to giggle) that I've seen your line of argument a few times now. In general it comes from people who place little value on symbology. That's cool. That's your prerogative. However given that you don't care, why don't you just leave the issue alone and let those of us who do care make an effort to keep the old wings and cap badge? I mean you're not fussed so why try and defend the new wings? Unless you prefer the new wings? You reckon they more effectively represent who we are and what we do?
Personally I could've lived with a change from the big Q in the wings to a roo but the proposed wings look almost identical to the F/A wings. If they'd let him go to silver like he originally wanted they would be virtually indistinguishable from up close as well instead of just being indistinguishable from the current F/A wing from more than 10' away.
Until you can tell me what was wrong with them, I'll keep asking why the wings were changed. Why is the stylised coat of arms superfluous? If you are keen to be respectful of our past why do we have a cloth wing on a shirt?
Unless you prefer the new wings? You reckon they more effectively represent who we are and what we do?
I respect the honour and tradition you associate with the old wings Keg. You most thoroughly should be proud of wearing them. If you want, I think you should be allowed to wear the metal wings if you wish, it'll be under the now (rumoured) compulsory jacket in the terminal so no one will notice. But I think it'd be a small number who would.
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It's not the Aussie coat of arms. First you imply we are dills because we didn't complain the emu and roo were around the wrong way. Now when it's been explained that they're not the Aussie coat of arms you bring up the Aussie coat of arms and that we aren't a government carrier? That doesn't make sense.
I fear though that too much emphasis is simply on the coat of arms- particularly from you Dre. This thing is a totality issue. There are hundreds of options that are better than the proposed wings for both jacket and shirt.
Even if we are lumped with the new wings, I still want metal ones on my shirt. Cloth wings on shirts are crap. They'll be bulky and uncomfortable under the harness and that's before you address the fashion issue that you're so keen on. They look like crap. Wings are normally worn immediately above the pocket, over the heart. Not on the upper shoulder. That they cost more is irrelevant. It just goes to show how Qantas is penny wise, pound foolish. They'll need replacing much more frequently and cost heaps to replace.
I fear though that too much emphasis is simply on the coat of arms- particularly from you Dre. This thing is a totality issue. There are hundreds of options that are better than the proposed wings for both jacket and shirt.
Even if we are lumped with the new wings, I still want metal ones on my shirt. Cloth wings on shirts are crap. They'll be bulky and uncomfortable under the harness and that's before you address the fashion issue that you're so keen on. They look like crap. Wings are normally worn immediately above the pocket, over the heart. Not on the upper shoulder. That they cost more is irrelevant. It just goes to show how Qantas is penny wise, pound foolish. They'll need replacing much more frequently and cost heaps to replace.
Last edited by Keg; 3rd May 2016 at 02:42.
We can argue about the symbolism of certain elements all day long.
But on the pure "look" of the design, if you (and the opinion of some others) is that the new insignia "looks like crap", the opinion of myself and a lot of my peers is that it looks much better than previous one.
Anyways like I said before, the basic design isn't changing. Management and the designer have invested far too much into this process to have it changed now.
But on the pure "look" of the design, if you (and the opinion of some others) is that the new insignia "looks like crap", the opinion of myself and a lot of my peers is that it looks much better than previous one.
Anyways like I said before, the basic design isn't changing. Management and the designer have invested far too much into this process to have it changed now.
What's wrong with the hat badge? I like the minimalist modern look to it? Personally the understated nature of it says class, rather than North Korean tank commander (or silver top taxi driver) which overuse of gold can lead to.
Hmmmm .....
It appears that the snaggle toothed leprechaun is living out another one of his boyhood fantasies - Designing a clothing line for Ken dolls dressed as sailors.
It appears that the snaggle toothed leprechaun is living out another one of his boyhood fantasies - Designing a clothing line for Ken dolls dressed as sailors.