Jetconnect vs Jetstar First Officer
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Jetconnect vs Jetstar First Officer
Has anyone been to either Jetconnect or Jetstar for interviews in the recent months? How much do T&C differ if you get hired as FO, and how do they handle type rating cost etc. if joining non-type rated?
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Not sure about jetconnect, but do you mean Jetstar Australia on the EBA. Most FOs anywhere between 140 and 180k depending on what overtime/Overnight allowances/Day Off payments they are getting.
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I don't know much about the Jetstar conditions, however I completed a Jetconnect interview and was shocked at what I heard. Give them 17k upfront then go and put yourself up in Melbourne while you do the TR. Fly Auckland do a few weeks of ground training and then start your line flying about 6-8 weeks after commencement. ALL WHILE NOT GETTING PAID. I couldn't believe my ears when they told me that. Although you get the 17k back when your CTL, the fact of the matter was no pay for up to 11 weeks (rough guide depending on how quick they get you through the system). Then they bond you for 2 years. How can anyone afford to do that? I did not want to condone that type of treatment so I said thanks but no thanks.
My personal opinion is you should at least offer a training wage to feed yourself. Not much to ask. Again, I'm not sure what Jetstar do, so I can't offer my experience.
My personal opinion is you should at least offer a training wage to feed yourself. Not much to ask. Again, I'm not sure what Jetstar do, so I can't offer my experience.
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Thanks for your replies! So to summarize your feedback about Jetconnect:
- They ask to contribute to TR with option to refund if CTL
- No pay during sim/line training
- No accommodation/meal allowance while in MEL for training
- Bond for 2 years after CTL
Anyone here done all that, and working for Jetconnect
- They ask to contribute to TR with option to refund if CTL
- No pay during sim/line training
- No accommodation/meal allowance while in MEL for training
- Bond for 2 years after CTL
Anyone here done all that, and working for Jetconnect
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I suppose the JetConnect way of doing things is a lot "riskier" as if you fail your training (which some have)
So why have some failed the training ? Is it inadequate ? For goodness sake the rest of the world out side NZ and Australia have pilots flying these same aircraft with no experience fresh out of school. Surely with some training most pilots with a background in commercial aviation can do it ?
I have heard from a few mates there that they are / will be getting desperately short of crew yet won't take anyone with less than Dash 8 sized experience (glass cockpit version). This may have links from 19 seat drivers failures in the past...
Supposedly there aren't that many in the CV pile as historically majority came from Air Nelson / Mt Cook but now they all gone to fly Air NZ jets offering a much much better deal.
Even advertising on Seek. Must be starting to get thin.
But what are they playing at ?
They are very similar contracts, probably the J* one just edges out the Jetconnect.
J Connect $97k + retention = $108 k
J* $105k
5 weeks annual leave for both.
50% flight hours for paxing with J*, nothing for Jet Connect.
Overtime for both paid over 65 hours, J* $132 / hr and Jetconnect $124 / hr.
At this stage the type rating is a time bond with Jetstar NZ, be aware though that the J* NZ contract is under negotiation with the company wanting to re-introduce salary sacrifice.
Day off payments for J* FO $600 per day, Jet Connect is $250 per day.
It's really just a guess as to which is the better job, in the future Jetstar and / or Jetconnect may secure long haul flying or access to the parent company, or they may remain the poor cousins in that respect, you just don't know. Jetconnect involves lots of night stops, there are not many at all with Jetstar.
J Connect $97k + retention = $108 k
J* $105k
5 weeks annual leave for both.
50% flight hours for paxing with J*, nothing for Jet Connect.
Overtime for both paid over 65 hours, J* $132 / hr and Jetconnect $124 / hr.
At this stage the type rating is a time bond with Jetstar NZ, be aware though that the J* NZ contract is under negotiation with the company wanting to re-introduce salary sacrifice.
Day off payments for J* FO $600 per day, Jet Connect is $250 per day.
It's really just a guess as to which is the better job, in the future Jetstar and / or Jetconnect may secure long haul flying or access to the parent company, or they may remain the poor cousins in that respect, you just don't know. Jetconnect involves lots of night stops, there are not many at all with Jetstar.
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There is a lot riding on this upcoming contract negotiation for Jetconnect. Have heard that plenty in both Captain and FO ranks will be leaving in droves if pay and lifestyle conditions aren't dramatically addressed.
Don't disagree viv - but hard to compete with NZ/VA/JQ when they have AKL/CHC based crew - all working in NZ $ and contracts when QF would be paying AUD contracts, with heaps of overnights in AKL/CHC every night, or paying AUD contracts with NZ bases. With the time zone difference tasman flying has to be based ex NZ, doesn't work ex AUS.
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They are very similar contracts, probably the J* one just edges out the Jetconnect.
J Connect $97k + retention = $108 k
J* $105k
5 weeks annual leave for both.
50% flight hours for paxing with J*, nothing for Jet Connect.
Overtime for both paid over 65 hours, J* $132 / hr and Jetconnect $124 / hr.
At this stage the type rating is a time bond with Jetstar NZ, be aware though that the J* NZ contract is under negotiation with the company wanting to re-introduce salary sacrifice.
Day off payments for J* FO $600 per day, Jet Connect is $250 per day.
It's really just a guess as to which is the better job, in the future Jetstar and / or Jetconnect may secure long haul flying or access to the parent company, or they may remain the poor cousins in that respect, you just don't know. Jetconnect involves lots of night stops, there are not many at all with Jetstar.
J Connect $97k + retention = $108 k
J* $105k
5 weeks annual leave for both.
50% flight hours for paxing with J*, nothing for Jet Connect.
Overtime for both paid over 65 hours, J* $132 / hr and Jetconnect $124 / hr.
At this stage the type rating is a time bond with Jetstar NZ, be aware though that the J* NZ contract is under negotiation with the company wanting to re-introduce salary sacrifice.
Day off payments for J* FO $600 per day, Jet Connect is $250 per day.
It's really just a guess as to which is the better job, in the future Jetstar and / or Jetconnect may secure long haul flying or access to the parent company, or they may remain the poor cousins in that respect, you just don't know. Jetconnect involves lots of night stops, there are not many at all with Jetstar.
Wow, this guy really has no idea what he's talking about when he talks about JQ:
Base pay: wrong
Annual leave: wrong
Overtime trigger: wrong
Day off payments: wrong
Overnights: wrong.
Base pay is a lot higher. Unless you're a 787 SO
Annual leave is 6 weeks.
Overtime trigger is 75 hours
Day off payment is absolute minimum $600. Do a 4 sector day or something longer than Syd-Ool-Syd and you'll be well over $1000.
Overnights: last month more than 15 overnights. This month around 11.
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I believe he's referring to JQ NZ...not JQ Australia.
ie. a NZ-based comparison with Jit Connict (oranges with oranges).
PG
PS. As an aside...Aussie EBA's are listed on the Fair Work website. The latest JQ Australia EBA is here: https://www.fwc.gov.au/documents/doc...a/AE413585.pdf
ie. a NZ-based comparison with Jit Connict (oranges with oranges).
PG
PS. As an aside...Aussie EBA's are listed on the Fair Work website. The latest JQ Australia EBA is here: https://www.fwc.gov.au/documents/doc...a/AE413585.pdf
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Look at the interviewer's hands.
Imagine both of them clutched together and then rammed up your jacksie. Go for the one that hurts least, but they're both gonna hurt.
Ned.
(who travels by ship and train now I've retired.) early
Ned.
(who travels by ship and train now I've retired.) early
You're a bunch of wallys. Seriously.
Take whatever achieves your career goals.
My advice is to take who gives you a start date first. If you're lucky enough to get a start date at both, flip a coin.
Take whatever achieves your career goals.
My advice is to take who gives you a start date first. If you're lucky enough to get a start date at both, flip a coin.
I would have thought it a pretty easy decision in that Jetstar NZ pays more than Jetconnect and you get more days off per month. You work less and get paid more.
What else is there?
What else is there?
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If you want quick jet time, Jetconnect. If you want any sort of lifestyle and money then stay well away from Jetconnect. Oh and pigs will fly before JC gets B787's and longhaul flying.
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Seems to be pretty competitive for any of these positions. As others have pointed out, take whoever gives you the first start. A bird in the hand...
If you're lucky enough to be offered both at the same time, consider the lifestyle you want and bases. If the negotiations with JC work out the word is it may be comparable to Jetstar.
If you're lucky enough to be offered both at the same time, consider the lifestyle you want and bases. If the negotiations with JC work out the word is it may be comparable to Jetstar.
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Seems to be pretty competitive for any of these positions. As others have pointed out, take whoever gives you the first start. A bird in the hand...
If you're lucky enough to be offered both at the same time, consider the lifestyle you want and bases. If the negotiations with JC work out the word is it may be comparable to Jetstar.
If you're lucky enough to be offered both at the same time, consider the lifestyle you want and bases. If the negotiations with JC work out the word is it may be comparable to Jetstar.