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Old 12th Feb 2016, 04:30
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RAAF VIP Fleet Renewal

With the ending of leases to the BBJ's and Challengers this year, any sign of a replacement or renewel
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Old 12th Feb 2016, 05:42
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Fleet of 5 eJet 190s to be commissioned shortly.
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Old 12th Feb 2016, 10:12
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Gold, Buzzy. But even the Oz guvmint ain't that stupid.......
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Old 12th Feb 2016, 10:13
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RAAF is getting two G550 special mission aircraft, getting a few more with comfy seats would not be too much of a stretch.
Having said that Dassault has demo's 7X in CBR last year to the top brass.....

Either way we are going to end up paying a fortune for them.....
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Old 12th Feb 2016, 23:32
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Long standing rumour used to have the two BBJ's being replaced by two ex-QF A330-200 aircraft.

Wouldn't be the first time QF aircraft have been disposed of in this way. (anybody remember the 707's ?)
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Old 13th Feb 2016, 02:21
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The other side to that rumour is that QF are trying to get hold of more 330's. So I doubt it.
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Old 13th Feb 2016, 04:16
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QF announced a couple of years back that they were not renewing leases on 2 A330s. I vaguely recall the RAAF picking these aircraft up and expanding their tanker fleet to 6?

That's also part of the reason why QF are seeking a couple of extra A330s. The RAAF said 'no' when QF asked could they instead keep the aeroplanes.
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Old 13th Feb 2016, 04:48
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A330s VH-EBH/I were leased to the RAAF late last year, both are currently in Spain getting converted. Wont be ready until Jan.
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Old 13th Feb 2016, 15:06
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January of which year of what decade????????

The "consort" of consultants, snake oil salesmen, arms dealers, green senators, union thugs, HR experts, performance engineers, project managers, software writers, ergonomics technicians, environmentists etal will need to run some interference to stuff up a relatively simple project
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Old 13th Feb 2016, 21:57
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January of which year of what decade????????

The "consort" of consultants, snake oil salesmen, arms dealers, green senators, union thugs, HR experts, performance engineers, project managers, software writers, ergonomics technicians, environmentists etal will need to run some interference to stuff up a relatively simple project
Don't forget the Logistics Management Squadrons. They've made doing nothing into an art form.
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Old 13th Feb 2016, 22:49
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Is this a renewel as in the heading or a renewal? If the former, replacing a few stair posts shouldn't cost much.
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Old 13th Feb 2016, 23:15
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If the BBJs and Challengers worked well, why not negotiate a new lease? Not enough defence jobs generated?
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Old 14th Feb 2016, 05:03
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The BBJ doesn't work well that's the problem. Too small, not enough range, too slow. They should have bought a 777/767/330/747 originally.

Aircraft that size will fly from Canberra to anywhere in the world non-stop with no need for crew positioning and various other logistics associated.

One of the biggest issues with selecting aircraft is the 'poor bugger me' attitude of the australian press. Politicians have to be seen flying around in a 210 as anything bigger is to pretentious. Fact is the 707 should have been replaced by a 767 at the time.
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Old 14th Feb 2016, 06:39
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Tender not closed yet, a bit premature continueapproach737.....


https://www.tenders.gov.au/?event=pu...A84007338AE512
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Old 14th Feb 2016, 06:53
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Don't buy a 777or A330 for scruffy pollies.
Overseas trips are a small part of requirement.
When they need an aircraft to fly PM on overseas trip, with Canberra Press corp hanging on, charter an A340. Use same charter company, aircraft and crews we get now to do trooping flight for ADF. If the chartered A340 we use for those trooping flights is good and safe enough for ADF members on overseas flights, it is good enough for our polie vultures including the various PM's we have had.
I bet the PM would suddenly find a reason to get a first world airline to do ADF trooping charters.
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Old 14th Feb 2016, 07:02
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RFQ excludes international requirement.

This Tender is to replace the domestic requirement only by mid 2019.
International is excluded from the scope.
The A330, excluding 95% of Australia's airfields, probably won't be delivered on this scope.
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Old 14th Feb 2016, 08:44
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This Tender is to replace the domestic requirement only by mid 2019.
International is excluded from the scope.
The A330, excluding 95% of Australia's airfields, probably won't be delivered on this scope.
Um, not by the Mandatory requirements that is in the ATM documents......It includes international.
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Old 14th Feb 2016, 09:15
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Canberra Press corp
Why do we have to transport this riff-raff
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Old 14th Feb 2016, 10:26
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Yeh, Not by addendum 1 in the docs

Um, not by the Mandatory requirements that is in the ATM documents......It includes international.
Addendum 5 sorry. Have a read of Question 4

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Old 14th Feb 2016, 12:09
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Rjtrt! What about stuff like secure Comms, etc? I'd like our PM to be able to teleconference and work whilst on a 14 hour flight so your average charter A340 isn't going to cut it.

I've got no problems with an A330 or similar for our PM to travel in around the world.
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