Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific Airline and RPT Rumours & News in Australia, enZed and the Pacific

RAAF VIP Fleet Renewal

Old 30th Mar 2016, 19:24
  #61 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 276
Received 10 Likes on 6 Posts
Originally Posted by ruprecht View Post
Yeah, he should just use twitter...
Didn't Abbott 'securely' fax his resignation
AerialPerspective is offline  
Old 30th Mar 2016, 19:33
  #62 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 276
Received 10 Likes on 6 Posts
Originally Posted by IsDon View Post
I've been in the BBJ a few times in my previous life. The aircraft, then anyway, were very basic.

If you get the impression these aircraft had gold plated taps and spa baths think again. They were meant to be airborne offices and deliberately understated to keep the voter happy.

I agree with Keg. We send these aircraft overseas with the leaders of our country aboard. Regardless of your politics, I'd prefer to see that service provided by the RAAF in an aircraft designed for the purpose. I'd love to see the RAAF doing troop transports too rather than via the lowest bidder, but that's another issue.

Not only does a dedicated aircraft allow the ministers the opportunity to work in transit, it also gives them a certain status that commercial flights don't allow. In the wider world of politics, this status is actually worth something.

I reckon B789s would fit the bill nicely.
I'd like to see a decent livery, with Commonwealth of Australia in the standard government typeface on the side and maybe a thin green and gold stripe with the coat of arms on the tail. The USAF operates the two VC-25s but they aren't painted in USAF livery, rather in a national livery. Ditto other nations. The original 'Air Force One' blue livery that exists to this day was designed at the behest of JFK when I believe, Jacquie suggested it didn't promote the US sufficiently.
AerialPerspective is offline  
Old 31st Mar 2016, 01:59
  #63 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Sydney
Posts: 370
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Green and gold are not the national clours - they are the sporting colours.
theheadmaster is offline  
Old 31st Mar 2016, 18:46
  #64 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 276
Received 10 Likes on 6 Posts
Originally Posted by neville_nobody View Post
Here we go again......

No Cookies | Herald Sun
"Clapped out". Jeez you've gotta hand it to the Murdoch press, wouldn't know anything so just write crap... these aircraft, compared with a QF or VA 737-800 have hardly been used, considering the 707-338Cs were operated by QF for 20+ years (although long haul means less cycles) and then successfully served for another 20 years... clapped out... what rubbish!!!
AerialPerspective is offline  
Old 31st Mar 2016, 18:52
  #65 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 276
Received 10 Likes on 6 Posts
Originally Posted by theheadmaster View Post
Green and gold are not the national clours - they are the sporting colours.
Check again, green and gold ARE the official 'national colours', they were changed in the 80s. Previously the national colours were blue and gold as that was the colours below the Commonwealth Star on the Coat of Arms. Curiously the coat of arms doesn't seem to have changed but if I remember correctly they were changed because blue and gold had no significance and everyone thought they were green and gold anyway... because of the colours of the wattle.
Pantone 348C and Pantone 116C (for the green and gold respectively). Changed by proclamation on 19th April, 1984.

Last edited by AerialPerspective; 31st Mar 2016 at 18:54. Reason: adding info
AerialPerspective is offline  
Old 1st Apr 2016, 00:33
  #66 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: NSW
Posts: 4,158
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Green and gold....looks like Brasil or South Africa..
TBM-Legend is offline  
Old 1st Apr 2016, 01:16
  #67 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Sydney
Posts: 370
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thanks, I stand corrected!
theheadmaster is offline  
Old 1st Apr 2016, 16:14
  #68 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 276
Received 10 Likes on 6 Posts
Originally Posted by theheadmaster View Post
Thanks, I stand corrected!
No worries, the fact that the wreath under the Commonwealth star on the Coat of Arms stayed blue and gold makes it confusing (that's where the blue and gold came from) so it's only that I remember it happening and it being a proclamation.
AerialPerspective is offline  
Old 1st Apr 2016, 16:17
  #69 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 276
Received 10 Likes on 6 Posts
Originally Posted by TBM-Legend View Post
Green and gold....looks like Brasil or South Africa..
Actually, the Springboks are green and gold, I don't think their other teams are, the South African colors are those on the flag - what is to say that people in South Africa and Brazil don't say "ah, green and gold, looks like Australia???"
We certainly win far more than our fair share of medals at the Olympics, way, way beyond our relative population size. The AUD is the 5/6th highest traded currency in the world and there were green and gold wattles here long before South Africa or Brasil were heard of :-)
AerialPerspective is offline  
Old 1st Apr 2016, 16:20
  #70 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 276
Received 10 Likes on 6 Posts
Originally Posted by donpizmeov View Post
And what does the RAAF do when the refuelling asset is needed?
Don't we have 5 or 6 of them???
AerialPerspective is offline  
Old 1st Apr 2016, 16:26
  #71 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 276
Received 10 Likes on 6 Posts
Originally Posted by Wingspar View Post
Ok.
KC 30.
Get another hull.
Configure it with a VIP section between doors one and two.
Dedicate that A/C to VIP duties.
That keeps everyone happy. The media and all the hangers on can be accommodated down the back.
When 33 are desperate for another hull they can call on that one and the grunts can stay down the back and not soil the PM's leather seat.
All operational matters are consistent with existing staffing and systems.
Minimal cost increase.
I actually agree with this. I don't like Airbus but the fact is there are 5 or 6 A330 MRTTs already and it would just be patently stupid to not go and get 1 or 2 A330-200/300 for the VIP duties. Unless there was a compelling reason to get a B787, B777 or B747-400/-8 the most logical option is to get airframe(s) with commonality shared with other military equipment.
Of course, this is the military we are talking about, even if the VIP fleet were A330s I'm sure military bureaucracy would end up buying double the parts/spares required.
When European Aviation (Stodardt) purchased the BAC-111s he was given the parts by the RAAF for nothing - they had enough parts to last for 300 years - hence PS paid a pittance for the aeroplanes then became the US/Europe parts centre for the BAC-111, supplying parts for them for years afterwards.
AerialPerspective is offline  
Old 11th Apr 2016, 06:27
  #72 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Sydney
Posts: 249
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Little birdy tells me HP might have something to do with new AC
onehitwonder is offline  
Old 11th Apr 2016, 06:47
  #73 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: NSW
Posts: 4,158
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Ads in the Australian give that away methinks for CB based "special project"
TBM-Legend is offline  
Old 12th Apr 2016, 22:45
  #74 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Australia
Posts: 315
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by rjtjrt View Post
My point was rally polies should insist we have trooping flights on first world mainline carriers.
As a further aside. Unless you re a nuclear power don't need secure coms for PM. It is a wank for PM to say they "need" secure coms 24/7.
Cabinet ministers working overseas need access to intelligence briefings, diplomatic cables, secure voice facilities etc, to allow them to do their primary job overseas of negotiating and dealing with foreign governments. They also need the ability to communicate with their staff and members of the government back in Australia without the local intelligence services listening in.

Those facilities are usually available within Australian diplomatic posts, but that doesn't help much if the pollies are travelling somewhere those facilities are not available. So the most secure, and next best place to have those facilities is aboard the aircraft on which they're travelling.
bankrunner is offline  
Old 19th Apr 2016, 01:06
  #75 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: asdfgh
Posts: 56
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Another OS trip to China - one BBJ with the PM, one BBJ with the media etc.
rexxxxxy is offline  
Old 20th Apr 2016, 13:31
  #76 (permalink)  
601
 
Join Date: Mar 1999
Location: Brisbane, Qld, Australia
Age: 76
Posts: 1,396
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 3 Posts
one BBJ with the media etc.
Must be bad day at the office when one has to travel in "clapped out" aeroplanes
601 is offline  
Old 25th Apr 2016, 08:26
  #77 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: asdfgh
Posts: 56
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Rexxxxxxxxxy, you might be surprised at the landing performance of some of the modern widebodies, including (and I hate to say it) the (G)A380, compared to the 737.
I believe you. It's more the PCN/ACN, not the runway length.
rexxxxxy is offline  
Old 27th Apr 2016, 14:23
  #78 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Australia
Age: 63
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I understand in May the shortlisted bidders for the RFP Management Contract will be announced. Sure hope the Govt will give the work to an Australian owned company, unlike the new subs just announced.
MustangRG is offline  
Old 27th Apr 2016, 17:04
  #79 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: NSW
Posts: 4,158
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Mr Mustang RG laughably thinks that the Govt should have given the sub contract to an Australian company I guess. Pray tell who designs subs in Australia . The new Frog "guzunders" will be built here ..,
TBM-Legend is offline  
Old 28th Apr 2016, 00:49
  #80 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Australia
Age: 63
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by TBM-Legend View Post
Mr Mustang RG laughably thinks that the Govt should have given the sub contract to an Australian company I guess. Pray tell who designs subs in Australia . The new Frog "guzunders" will be built here ..,
No problems with the supply of foreign built military items... I was Referring to the Management contract of the new VIP Fleet, suggesting Australian owned company.
MustangRG is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information

Copyright © 2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.