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Old 26th Feb 2017, 05:51
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This train wreck has only just started, so much more to come out, not in announcements, but my the cold hard light of day...
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Old 26th Feb 2017, 10:41
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The 'Bowen Hills bubble' is the most suffocating, inefficient, bureaucratic place in the known universe. Meeting after meeting, when the only thing that is decided was when to have another meeting. Very serious siloing across departments. Organisations that function in this way will decline and slowly die - they have no resilience and minimal capacity for change. No will know until right at the end as one thing the village people are good at is keeping bad news hidden and putting a positive spin on everything. In the meantime Nero fiddles while Rome burns.. BTW, where is Nero, haven't seem him at the village for a while...
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Old 26th Feb 2017, 10:52
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The 'Bowen Hills bubble' is the most suffocating, inefficient, bureaucratic place in the known universe. Meeting after meeting, when the only thing that is decided was when to have another meeting. Very serious siloing across departments. Organisations that function in this way will decline and slowly die - they have no resilience and minimal capacity for change. No will know until right at the end as one thing the village people are good at is keeping bad news hidden and putting a positive spin on everything. In the meantime Nero fiddles while Rome burns.. BTW, where is Nero, haven't seem him at the village for a while...
And then there's the 'Macquarie Place' bubble which is another level removed from the 'Bowen Hills' bubble again, and so far from the coalface that you can't even see an aeroplane from there, just the ferries at Circular Quay. So close to Alan that he can almost see the chair that could have been his. If only............

If only the feckin fecker could run a feckin airline, to be sure, to be sure.......

Livin next door to Alan
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Old 26th Feb 2017, 11:17
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Centrebet Odds Onn Bonegi1

On you Bonegi1 = Odds on for you & your comments = totally agreed

Bonegi1 can you provide a HEADS-UP when JB is going back to Qantas pls

Bonegi1 do you think his JOB IS DONE at VA
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Old 27th Feb 2017, 04:48
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Good to see that at least the PER-AUH setup has gone according to plan....
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Old 27th Feb 2017, 05:10
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Bonegi1 can you provide a HEADS-UP when JB is going back to Qantas pls
Did he ever really leave?
Surely they must be paying him some sort of bonus for the amazing job he is doing for them.
Awarded an OAM for his contribution to aviation?!? Must have been for his contribution to QANTAS aviation!
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Old 27th Feb 2017, 09:38
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Regarding today's email, looks like the 330 guys can look forward to trans con for the indefinite future.
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Old 27th Feb 2017, 10:04
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He couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery, but somehow it will all be everybody else's fault!
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Old 27th Feb 2017, 12:41
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3 times a week to AUH was barely a token effort anyway.

It's not a good look but it makes sense to keep the frames for daily HKG. Perhaps someone should have mentioned that before they published the press release...
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Old 10th Mar 2017, 10:58
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Looks like we find out the ATR fate on the 15th, posssibly all the 500s definitely going and the BNE ATR base to close shop is the rumour around the crew rooms.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 02:10
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Originally Posted by SHVC View Post
Looks like we find out the ATR fate on the 15th, posssibly all the 500s definitely going and the BNE ATR base to close shop is the rumour around the crew rooms.
Confirmed today.

All 500s gone. Only 6 600s to stay and only in NSW/VIC/ACT.

The only airline in the world that can't make money with ATRs

But don't worry-

"This decision to move to one ATR type will have an impact on Virgin Australia's Regional Queensland flying, however we are currently investigating a number of options to limit this impact, and these will be shared in due course."

Who wants to guess what that means??
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 02:23
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Move to Sydney and fly one of the six remaining ATRs?

Or get trained up on the 737.

Hmmm.

With FIFO well and truly wound down in QLD I'm not surprised there's not as much regional flying. But you have to wonder what VA's plan is as they seem to have been caught with their pants down.

Decent fleet of 737s for the bread and butter but with an expensive collection of other types, too few of each for any serious attempt at a route strategy. Not enough 777s for daily US from the golden triangle. Not enough A330s for daily transcontinental and Asia. Embraer fleet too small to achieve economy of scale in Australia or just badly managed?

If I were a shareholder I would be feeling uncomfortable with the apparent lack of direction.

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Old 21st Mar 2017, 03:30
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If I were a shareholder I would be feeling uncomfortable with the apparent lack of direction.
Apparent?!? More like obvious lack of direction!
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 12:15
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Embraer fleet too small to achieve economy of scale in Australia or just badly managed?
Yes E190 crew were told that 18 aircraft was unsustainable. Meanwhile Tiger had an entire 'airline' of 12 aircraft, and now we are told how sustainable a fleet of 6 ATR's will be....FFS!
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 23:29
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Yes, it would be nice for someone to actually say,

"due to inneffective CEO and dysfunctionally paralysed board, we are clueless as to what direction the company is headed. As a result we will continue to change the aircraft/fleet mix as well as add and remove new routes, in an attempt to create the illusion of progress under the banner of difficult market conditions and sluggish Australian economy in an attempt to meet dubious KPI's in order to achieve our Short and Long Term Incentives".
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Old 22nd Mar 2017, 04:22
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I wonder what "re location package" the company is proposing to the BN ATR crew. I give it to July 18th Alliance will be doing these "unsustainable routes" on a wet lease off VA as ther will be no ATRs operating out of BNE.
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Old 22nd Mar 2017, 06:28
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"Why arent VARA operating F70s and more F100s?'

Because MM is too concerned with creating jigsaw puzzles out of motivational paintings rather than negotiating a proper deal with a company that used to be a competitor.
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Old 22nd Mar 2017, 07:22
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Originally Posted by boeinginthewest View Post
No Alliance won't be. Unable under the VARA 2015 EBA clause contained within.

Why the fudge VARA aren't flying some Alliance F70's (under their little bed sharing arrangement) is beyond me.

When is the 737 review coming at VAA? Surely 100 frames is unsustainable

The following aircraft have had reviews in the past few years:

B777
F50 (retired)
A320 (VARA)
E190
ATR72

And SHVC, on a positive side the last relocation package I was involved in was more than generous. Well over $15,000, 2 cars from memory, 2 weeks accommodation for the whole fam, flights galore, car hire etc. It was more than generous. Hopefully, though the distances will be a lot less for those displaced (not one side of the country to the other), it will still be generous under the circumstances
Only routes in QLD Alliance can't fly under the VARA EBA are Moranbah and Bundy. Any other route can be flown as the routes are also flown by VA B737s and E190s. They are already flying the Emerald run.
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Old 22nd Mar 2017, 07:37
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Incorrect. The way the EBA is worded it includes Rockhampton and Gladstone.
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Old 22nd Mar 2017, 08:17
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Moranbah. A quick way to lose even more money on a route by sending an F100 there. Reality is that if VA doesn't fly them at all the clause doesn't mean much I expect. Or are Vara crew expecting to be paid something or compensated if they don't?
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