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Old 15th Oct 2015, 15:32
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Perth is so small it has a daily EK380 plus every other airline serving it with 777s 340s and and 330s.
If it's that good then why did QF stop international flights from there ?

Perth may be bigger than Brisbane in a few years but the catchment area is negligible outside the city. In QLD, unlike other states, most of the population live outside the capital. BNE will soon be a LAX style spread from the Sunshine to Gold coasts.

The configuration of a 787 in 9 across is similar to an A320/B737 typically used for much shorter journeys. The flight would be hell, I've done 14 hour legs in the A380 and the B777 in 9 across and was more than ready to get off. Imagine 18 hours in a domestic B737 configuration. I avoid the B787 as far as possible, A350 is much nicer.

With the ultra long range A350s being developed for Singapore Airlines to fly to the US, SYD - LHR might be possible a few years down the track with advances to stretch the range bit further.

An overnight break in an airside transit hotel in the desert makes a journey far less tiring. Two legs with a good night sleep in between reduces jet lag and you can adjust your arrival to a convenient time by choosing a suitable connecting flight.
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Old 15th Oct 2015, 15:52
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If it's that good then why did QF stop international flights from there ?
Not many people want to fly QF out of Perth because the other airlines all have better networks that offer a far greater choice of flights and destinations. The final straw was the deal with EK that saw QF stop using SIN as a hub for flights to Europe. Once that happened, PER passengers had no reason to choose QF.

There is plenty of traffic out of PER - SQ operates four times daily to SIN, EK twice daily to DXB, CX ten a week to HKG, etc, etc. If QF wants to capture some of that traffic then they need to offer some attractive options for the punters.

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Old 15th Oct 2015, 23:53
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Probably Great Option for Pointy End Punters

I'm guessing a PER-LHR route will be quite popular with those fortunate enough to be able to travel in J class. Time moves (too) quickly when you are comfortably tucked in to a lie flat bed after a nice meal and a few drinks.

Whether originating in PER, or some other Aussie port requiring only a domestic transfer, there are MANY who would prefer to avoid the Middle East in order to get 1-stop access to the UK.

Regular punters in Y class? I'm not sure 9-across economy seating for 18 hours will be as popular. As others have suggested, probably more comfortable, especially with kids, to break the hideously long journey somewhere closer to half way.

If you're going anywhere else in Europe other than London, then the EK (and to a lesser extent SQ) connections can't be beat. Transferring and backtracking via LHR in a sleep deprived state is no one's idea of a fun day out.

Here's hoping it goes ahead, if for no other reason that it will create a bit of buzz and excitement in an airline that has become more and more like a travel agent in recent times. It's high time for a bit of bold behaviour!

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Old 16th Oct 2015, 00:28
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18 hours is 6am to midnight. Imagine spending that time sitting in a not very comfortable narrow chair with limited recline and a least one, quite possibly two people on either side of you.

J class one stop with a lie flat bed starts at around $7000, economy one stop starts at about $2000. A night in an airside transit hotel is around $300. If I was going with the wife in business class we're looking at $14000 vs $4300 for a comfortable trip. J class is great if someone else is paying or you've got money to burn. I'm taking the slower option and saving $10 000 by arriving a few hours later and I'll be less jet lagged.
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Old 16th Oct 2015, 02:29
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An overnight break in an airside transit hotel in the desert makes a journey far less tiring. Two legs with a good night sleep in between reduces jet lag and you can adjust your arrival to a convenient time by choosing a suitable connecting flight.
However not all travellers have the time or the money for such things. If you are on annual leave trip or business you don't want to waste 4 days getting to and from Europe.
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Old 16th Oct 2015, 04:07
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Metro man,

Qantas needed the assets elsewhere on the network.

IE Virgin put A330s on the domestic transcontinental routes, so QF poached them all to counter it.

Id expect to see a renewed push in Perth with the arrival of more longer range airframes.

No feed? Perth has 3 million cashed up bogans living there. Not to mention the feed from say Adelaide and Darwin or any other city if there was a direct flight to Europe.

It would very very popular.

When was the last time you visited Perth? Must have been in the 80s.
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Old 16th Oct 2015, 04:22
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GG - the cash has gone. Commercial property vacancies are through the roof , rental market is open and the housing market is flat. The SS ute and Jet Ski sales have floundered .... yet the price of a pint hasn't fallen ...
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Old 16th Oct 2015, 04:24
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Fly DRW to PER for a connecting flight to Europe ??? Why not go via Singapore instead ? Adelaide possibly, but the Asian/ME competition are laying on extra flights to ADL so expect some keen pricing.

With the mining boom tapering off, not everyone is cashed up.

This flight will be more expensive to operate and would need less dense seating to be bearable.
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Old 16th Oct 2015, 07:00
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Perth has 3 million cashed up bogans living there.
Only a slight exaggeration, given that the entire population is only 2 million. Some of them do not even own thongs or wife beaters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perth

Now back to the topic...

The most interesting part about this article is that SQ ran ALL BUSINESS CLASS. AJ has not said HOW QF would operate but if it was ALL business class say three times a week, there would be a market.

Singapore Airlines to restart world's longest non-stop flight to New York with new Airbus A350s
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Old 27th Oct 2015, 11:27
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I heard a wee rumour from the west coast that QF are looking at converting the ex Virgin terminal into INTL. Then there will be seamless transfers between intl and dom ops.
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Old 27th Oct 2015, 12:00
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you wee rumour is indeed INCORRECT
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Old 28th Oct 2015, 07:43
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Yes, how dare you post a Rumour on a Rumour Network.
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Old 31st Oct 2015, 05:29
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Skystar, thanks for clearing that up. I take it you are a Perth local?
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