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Keg,
Yes, the long term plan is for QF's domestic operations to move over to the international side and operate from a new wing connected to the international terminal. That could be a long way off, given the time it's taken for Virgin's new terminal to be completed.
Are these proposed non-stop flights expected to originate & terminate in Perth? If not, then I guess they would originate & terminate in Sydney, with a transit stop in Perth. Surely that would save Sydney passengers from having to change terminals in Perth.
Yes, the long term plan is for QF's domestic operations to move over to the international side and operate from a new wing connected to the international terminal. That could be a long way off, given the time it's taken for Virgin's new terminal to be completed.
Are these proposed non-stop flights expected to originate & terminate in Perth? If not, then I guess they would originate & terminate in Sydney, with a transit stop in Perth. Surely that would save Sydney passengers from having to change terminals in Perth.
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Hey Mr jet4,
Can I please, please, have a 'City & Beaches' ....pleeeeze..??
The last few times I have 'bothered' to try, I got a knockback, even with a plan....and when I went OCTA, coastal, I heard /saw, no-one, west of the airport......
Normal viewing resumes....
19 hours sitting on my bum...I think I'd like a bit more leg room for a start....
I've done 14 hrs SY-SFO / LAX -SY (B747 / B777) a few times now, and I do have to 'go for a walk' occasionally....
Don't think the lower cabin alt of the 787 would alter that too much.
Still, for those 'in a hurry'......
Cheers
Hey Mr jet4,
Can I please, please, have a 'City & Beaches' ....pleeeeze..??
The last few times I have 'bothered' to try, I got a knockback, even with a plan....and when I went OCTA, coastal, I heard /saw, no-one, west of the airport......
Normal viewing resumes....
19 hours sitting on my bum...I think I'd like a bit more leg room for a start....
I've done 14 hrs SY-SFO / LAX -SY (B747 / B777) a few times now, and I do have to 'go for a walk' occasionally....
Don't think the lower cabin alt of the 787 would alter that too much.
Still, for those 'in a hurry'......
Cheers
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As a Pom in Perth I fly with Emirates to Europe every 2 yrs. My first stop is usually for family in NCL. EK is the only long haul carrier to fly there with a connection to PER. Cutting out a stop in LHR, AMS, FRA or anywhere else en route makes them more attractive than an ultra long haul which gets me close but not there yet. Their flexibility with multi-city stops and an extensive network to go back via makes flying with them almost an automatic choice for me. I am a fickle pax though and any other airline that could do this would potentially get my economy class backside on board. I prefer to go via the Middle East because it's a shorter trip than through Asia.
The convenience and sheer size of EK plus the advantage of Dubai's location means I don't reckon many people would go the 18 hrs in a 777. Maybe on a 380 though...
The convenience and sheer size of EK plus the advantage of Dubai's location means I don't reckon many people would go the 18 hrs in a 777. Maybe on a 380 though...
Keg,
The QF Group will take over T3 when Virgin moves to the new domestic pier on the international side, but my understanding is that QF will only operate domestic flights from the T3/T4 precinct. Could be wrong though!
Last year's iteration of the Perth Airport Master Plan shows all QF Group domestic services relocating to the international side some time in the early 2020s, with a new terminal to be built to the east of T1 together with the much vaunted new runway.
The QF Group will take over T3 when Virgin moves to the new domestic pier on the international side, but my understanding is that QF will only operate domestic flights from the T3/T4 precinct. Could be wrong though!
Last year's iteration of the Perth Airport Master Plan shows all QF Group domestic services relocating to the international side some time in the early 2020s, with a new terminal to be built to the east of T1 together with the much vaunted new runway.
May not happen unless they upgrade KGI or something similar.
Destination alternates of LEA on a good day, and ADL on a not-so good day is OK on a 10 hour flight but eats into your payload on anything more in the 777.
This is international standard practice.
Unless there is an alternative to destination alternate?
Last time l flew in Oz (Many years back) Just carry fuel for Tempo/Inter or alternate as required. Otherwise, she'll be right Mate!
halas
Destination alternates of LEA on a good day, and ADL on a not-so good day is OK on a 10 hour flight but eats into your payload on anything more in the 777.
This is international standard practice.
Unless there is an alternative to destination alternate?
Last time l flew in Oz (Many years back) Just carry fuel for Tempo/Inter or alternate as required. Otherwise, she'll be right Mate!
halas
Once qantas acquire T3 space, see no reason why one or two gates could be set up for international/domestic ops, same as in Adelaide, that way any Qantas International flights from perth could depart/arrive same terminal area?
Also I would have thought first priority for Qantas internationally from Perth would be a 787 to Dubai, to connect with the multitude of EK destinations to/from Dubai.
Also I would have thought first priority for Qantas internationally from Perth would be a 787 to Dubai, to connect with the multitude of EK destinations to/from Dubai.
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Why would I want to take a QANTAS 787 instead of an Emirates A380 to DXB and then have to change airlines? Only if the connection times are shorter. EK does a good job of keeping these down by having 2 fights a day to PER. QANTAS aren't an international airline from Perth, they gave that business away to Emirates remember?
The longest flight I have ever been on was 14 hours, by the end of this I was almost ready to top myself and that was up the front in a comfy seat. I would pick a stop over any day over an ultra long haul flight, it's just not good for you and must be like hell on earth in economy.
I suppose it depends how the QF 787 are configured. Particularly down the back. Any narrower that 18 inch seats with less that 32 or 33 inches of legroom and you can forget it in Economy for a 17-18 hour odd flight. You'd also need areas where pax can stand for a period of time (an enhancement of the self serve snack bars or the like, perhaps), given sitting for extended periods is now the new Smoking.
Some innovation will probably be required I guess, to strike a balance between attracting Customers, and pleasing Bean Counters. Something along the lines of the Cozy suite CozySuite
As far as connection times, if Frankfurt was a destination in addition to LHR, this would have the potential to provide better connections to most of Europe at least, as from Frankfurt Airport you can Fly, Drive, or catch a train to almost anywhere, and from LHR you have most of the UK, Ireland and Northern Europe covered.
Given the UK expat population in Perth, a 2 million plus population, plus those connecting from regional WA, you'd have to say that a profitable load on a 250 seater each day would not be too much of a stretch. Even more so once the terminals are combined, AND if the flight originated from the East anyway, with some cheap fares to fill it for the domestic leg.
Now if only for a Cat III approach!
Some innovation will probably be required I guess, to strike a balance between attracting Customers, and pleasing Bean Counters. Something along the lines of the Cozy suite CozySuite
As far as connection times, if Frankfurt was a destination in addition to LHR, this would have the potential to provide better connections to most of Europe at least, as from Frankfurt Airport you can Fly, Drive, or catch a train to almost anywhere, and from LHR you have most of the UK, Ireland and Northern Europe covered.
Given the UK expat population in Perth, a 2 million plus population, plus those connecting from regional WA, you'd have to say that a profitable load on a 250 seater each day would not be too much of a stretch. Even more so once the terminals are combined, AND if the flight originated from the East anyway, with some cheap fares to fill it for the domestic leg.
Now if only for a Cat III approach!
Now if only for a Cat III approach!
The convenience and sheer size of EK plus the advantage of Dubai's location means I don't reckon many people would go the 18 hrs in a 777. Maybe on a 380 though...
When Boeing or Airbus come up with it and if it can do the route efficiently it should be a money maker. Premium travellers between two major cities should make it pay. Perth is just too small and has no catchment area.
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I just feel less fatigued after getting off an A380. Plus the sense of space, seems a lot quieter, doesn't twitch around like the 777, more humidity in the air. Smoother and just nicer, even if it's not pretty on the outside.
Then it's a good thing it'll be on a 787 then 😉
Yep, Perth is so small it has a daily EK380 plus every other airline serving it with 777s 340s and and 330s.
Metro man, Perth will be bigger than Brisbane in 2020 at current growth rates.
It's a wealthy city and its full of citizens used to travelling to get anywhere.
A direct London service would be very popular. I'd rather go Syd - per - lhr than muck around in the desert.
Just saying.
Metro man, Perth will be bigger than Brisbane in 2020 at current growth rates.
It's a wealthy city and its full of citizens used to travelling to get anywhere.
A direct London service would be very popular. I'd rather go Syd - per - lhr than muck around in the desert.
Just saying.