Australian pilots can work for US regionals.
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Let me see.... Provided of course if it's true?
10000 up front, and 80000 as a bonus if you stay 3 years. That's about 3 and a half years pay at the typical American Regional F/O's rate! Holy crap, things are more desperate that I thought. Get over there boys and girls, too good to miss.
Wait a minute, (Spain) it's not in Pesos is it?
10000 up front, and 80000 as a bonus if you stay 3 years. That's about 3 and a half years pay at the typical American Regional F/O's rate! Holy crap, things are more desperate that I thought. Get over there boys and girls, too good to miss.
Wait a minute, (Spain) it's not in Pesos is it?
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"I trust that none here would complain if the reciprocal arrangement for American pilots on 457 to work and fly in Aussie on the regionals?"
Why would anyone complain. Visa's are only issued when there are not enough locals to fill the seats. You cant really have it both ways.
Why would anyone complain. Visa's are only issued when there are not enough locals to fill the seats. You cant really have it both ways.
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FLAPSSET,
I'd have to guess but I can't see the visa program requiring a dedicated "aviation" degree in this circumstance. Skywest itself doesn't mention a degree as a requirement at all. In fact, most regionals here either don't mention it or list a degree as "preferred".
This, as you've likely seen, from the visa requirements:
"...and at least the attainment of a bachelor's degree, or its equivalent, as a minimum for entry into the occupation in the United States."
With typical fuzzy government-speak, it's hard to know what "...or its equivalent..." means...sounds like a bit of wriggle room there. Skywest has likely noodled this out with the our kakistocracy.
Maybe the OP could shed some light on this ?
I'd have to guess but I can't see the visa program requiring a dedicated "aviation" degree in this circumstance. Skywest itself doesn't mention a degree as a requirement at all. In fact, most regionals here either don't mention it or list a degree as "preferred".
This, as you've likely seen, from the visa requirements:
"...and at least the attainment of a bachelor's degree, or its equivalent, as a minimum for entry into the occupation in the United States."
With typical fuzzy government-speak, it's hard to know what "...or its equivalent..." means...sounds like a bit of wriggle room there. Skywest has likely noodled this out with the our kakistocracy.
Maybe the OP could shed some light on this ?
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In regards to this Skywest Visa sponsorship that has been mentioned, where about does it actually state this?
Out of curiosity I have had a little gander and can't for the life of me see it anywhere that they will sponsor overseas pilots...more than happy to be told otherwise...my computer-majiggin skills aint what they used to be.
Out of curiosity I have had a little gander and can't for the life of me see it anywhere that they will sponsor overseas pilots...more than happy to be told otherwise...my computer-majiggin skills aint what they used to be.
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hobo,
I had asked the same question earlier in this thread. I couldn't find the specific statement either.
I did stumble across this wrinkle though:
Let's see if I understand this correctly…I might not.
Skywest Airlines is owned by the corporate umbrella that also owns Expressjet Airlines.
http://inc.skywest.com/corporate-inf.../?t=expressjet
In the Expressjet list of pilot quals, there's this statement:
"Authorization to work in the United States without sponsorship"
It's interesting that one airline under the same corporate ownership is said to being sponsoring expats for pilot employment but another carrier under that same ownership specifically says it isn't.
Maybe Expressjet being an ALPA carrier and, IIUC, Skywest isn't ?
ExpressJet Pilot Qualifications | ExpressJet Airlines
I had asked the same question earlier in this thread. I couldn't find the specific statement either.
I did stumble across this wrinkle though:
Let's see if I understand this correctly…I might not.
Skywest Airlines is owned by the corporate umbrella that also owns Expressjet Airlines.
http://inc.skywest.com/corporate-inf.../?t=expressjet
In the Expressjet list of pilot quals, there's this statement:
"Authorization to work in the United States without sponsorship"
It's interesting that one airline under the same corporate ownership is said to being sponsoring expats for pilot employment but another carrier under that same ownership specifically says it isn't.
Maybe Expressjet being an ALPA carrier and, IIUC, Skywest isn't ?
ExpressJet Pilot Qualifications | ExpressJet Airlines
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From: Hostage to geographical fortune.
Real Estate is a lot cheaper so as long as you were not living in a major US city, 90K would be enough for a decent house.
Employment may perhaps be offered but the terms will be rooted at the bottom of seniority's totem pole. Best you realize what every Koala at the base of the eucalyptus sees when looking up at those above. Not nice. Which is why the package is being thrown out for foreign talent to pick up.
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Decent house as in 90K US $? Completely, totally and absolutely delusional. Show me this house from which you be within 1 hr available for reserve in the assigned domicile.
3 bedroom on 2 acres, less than 40 minutes drive from RDU. Sold last year for 72.5k
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Do any of the so called Regionals in USA go across to Canada? Then the pilots don't need to be from a country with special visa permissions. I am sure I have read of pilots living and flying from USA simply by getting a 90days visa every time they re-enter USA as part of the pilot job.
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Do any of the so called Regionals in USA go across to Canada? Then the pilots don't need to be from a country with special visa permissions. I am sure I have read of pilots living and flying from USA simply by getting a 90days visa every time they re-enter USA as part of the pilot job.
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@bafanguy , yeah I bet the fact that Expressjet is union and Skywest is non-Union has a significant factor in this.
@DeltaT , many of the U.S. regionals fly into Canada. Skywest flies to Canada, Mexico, and the Bahamas but the 90 day VWP will get you in trouble. Visiting crew members must possess a C1/D visa to enter the US. Foreign crew members do not enter on the visa waiver program when on duty.
@DeltaT , many of the U.S. regionals fly into Canada. Skywest flies to Canada, Mexico, and the Bahamas but the 90 day VWP will get you in trouble. Visiting crew members must possess a C1/D visa to enter the US. Foreign crew members do not enter on the visa waiver program when on duty.
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cvg
Maybe I wrote in wrong but what I meant is if you were MAKING 90K a year and were not living in a major US city, you could afford a decent house. Houses don't cost 1 million/2 bedroom units 600K, like in Sydney.
Maybe I wrote in wrong but what I meant is if you were MAKING 90K a year and were not living in a major US city, you could afford a decent house. Houses don't cost 1 million/2 bedroom units 600K, like in Sydney.
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Before you all get hot and excited about going to work for someone like a U.S regional Id like to add my two cents. We know about the working conditions and the pay but people are saying homes are cheap. No they aren't. Those fifty grand specials you see advertised on the internet are in neighbourhoods you wouldn't go in to in the daytime, let alone after dark. Homes in the U.S are also subject to annual property tax unlike Australia and that varies by state. I can put with a lot of things but dealing with an American Home Owners Association in a high tax state like Wisconsin where the snow reaches your second floor balcony? How about freezing solid in North Dakota for poverty pay and trying to find accommodation when theres none to be found during a shale oil boom? Those trailers get pretty cold at night. Do some research guys.
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Property here in the US is very varied in price depending on where you live.
A Bay Area base with Skywest for example could see you living in northern Marin county, about 1 hour drive from SFO. 250-300k would buy a reasonableish condo.
There are many other cheaper based options with regionals.
A Bay Area base with Skywest for example could see you living in northern Marin county, about 1 hour drive from SFO. 250-300k would buy a reasonableish condo.
There are many other cheaper based options with regionals.
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To fly for a -121 carrier like SkyWest (or ExpressJet or Delta) you need your ATP.
To fly for a -135 carrier (less than 19 seats...all turboprops as far as I know) like Great Lakes, you only need a Commercial License. For those first year FOs with only a Commercial license, Great Lakes pays $21.22/hour, with a 75 hour guarantee: Less than $1600/month, before taxes. Initial Training Pay may be lower.
To fly for a -135 carrier (less than 19 seats...all turboprops as far as I know) like Great Lakes, you only need a Commercial License. For those first year FOs with only a Commercial license, Great Lakes pays $21.22/hour, with a 75 hour guarantee: Less than $1600/month, before taxes. Initial Training Pay may be lower.
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oicur12.again,
Did they happen to mention how many Australians had been offered interviews before they put the expat process on hold ? And why the hold was put in place ?
There's been some question in the discussion of this about how many candidates this visa process can yield.
Did they happen to mention how many Australians had been offered interviews before they put the expat process on hold ? And why the hold was put in place ?
There's been some question in the discussion of this about how many candidates this visa process can yield.
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To fly for a -121 carrier like SkyWest (or ExpressJet or Delta) you need your ATP.
To fly for a -135 carrier (less than 19 seats...all turboprops as far as I know) like Great Lakes, you only need a Commercial License. For those first year FOs with only a Commercial license, Great Lakes pays $21.22/hour, with a 75 hour guarantee: Less than $1600/month, before taxes. Initial Training Pay may be lower.
To fly for a -135 carrier (less than 19 seats...all turboprops as far as I know) like Great Lakes, you only need a Commercial License. For those first year FOs with only a Commercial license, Great Lakes pays $21.22/hour, with a 75 hour guarantee: Less than $1600/month, before taxes. Initial Training Pay may be lower.
Apparently Great Lakes has modified a bunch of their 1900's so that they only have 9 seats. (I think it requires something more than removing the seats) Sounds a little strange, but Great Lakes' bread and butter is the Essential Air Services for Wyoming, Montana, the Dakotas, Nebraska, etc. On an EAS subsidy, it doesn't matter if you carry passengers, you still get paid as long as you land there. I've seen it. Back when it was Big Sky on the EAS contract with Metroliners. I've been at small airports in Montana, watched an empty Metro land and taxi up to the "terminal" the FO would jump out and exchange some paperwork, then he's jump back in and they'd fire up again and take off, empty. Passengers not required when you're subsidized. So, having only 9 seats in a Beech 1900 apparently is not an economic disadvantage.
Apparently, it's cheaper than paying enough to be able to hire pilots with 1500 hours and an ATP.
Initial training pay is non-existent. You go thru training on your own dime. Plus sign a 15 month $7500 training contract.
Any surprise they are having a tough time attracting pilots?