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Old 21st Oct 2015, 05:04
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Good luck to them. Bit strange to be complaining about the stand at ZQN that is allocated to ALL turboprops? I would be suprised if he gets any interest in tickets for that route, not worth the effort to fly.
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Old 22nd Oct 2015, 09:15
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Approval to fly 'a dream come true' | Stuff.co.nz


Looks like they've got their AOC & can now do anything NZ or JQ do, if they wanted to.


Wonder how hard it would be to upgrade their AOC to include bigger aircraft ?




Heard that 2nd aircraft is on it's way.


Freight ?


Maybe they'll get a QC aircraft.
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Old 22nd Oct 2015, 09:45
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BNEA320,

I always thought you were just completely out of touch but I have now realized that you are just a wind-up merchant.

They aren't going to last 12 months let alone have any reason to get bigger aircraft.
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Old 22nd Oct 2015, 10:09
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Now that they've got a NZ AOC surely the next logical step is to operate in Australia on the Kiwi AOC and knock QLink and Rex out of action with one fowl swoop?
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Old 22nd Oct 2015, 10:18
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fell.

Looks like they've got their AOC & can now do anything NZ or JQ do, if they wanted to.

Wonder how hard it would be to upgrade their AOC to include bigger aircraft ?
wut? 121 is as big as it gets doofus. but you already knew that. ollie finally gets you
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Old 24th Oct 2015, 01:31
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plenty of opportunity for a New Zealand airline in Australia. Operating under NZCAA rules, must be one hell of a lot easier (& therefore much cheaper) than dealing with CASA.
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Old 25th Oct 2015, 07:03
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Almost anything would be cheaper and easier than dealing with CASA.
What history tells us, though, is that if any new player even thinks about starting an operation in Australia, the incumbents close ranks and see them off.
So our Kiwi start up would need more money than any of Rex, Tiger, Virgin, QANTAS etc.
Most small operators are borderline bankrupt anyway, so what does this say about viability?
Then there is the usual hassle of dealing with airports to get terminal space. Then cash in hand to get going. Lots of cash. Millions of cash. Look at Free Spirit. Even with terminal space they can't even fund crew training, let alone proving flights.
The Aussie public has been burned by too many past failures to show any confidence with forward bookings, so a new player would need to have a war chest to fly empty and on time, every published time, for six months before anyone with half a brain would book a seat with them.

BNEA320 how many people have to tell you these basic facts of life?
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Old 25th Oct 2015, 08:13
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plenty of opportunity for a New Zealand airline in Australia. Operating under NZCAA rules, must be one hell of a lot easier (& therefore much cheaper) than dealing with CASA.
BNE320 you are annoying!
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Old 27th Oct 2015, 02:29
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MAck E we're talking Saab 340's not A380's. They wouldn't be flying from busy city airports much & talking routes that aren't currently flown or not flown nonstop by the likes of Rex.


Most of costs are already there.


How much does it cost to lease a Saab ? $25k/month ?


Does a NZ AOC holder need to do proving flights ?


Plenty of charter type work + could probably operate regular scheduled charters & not be subject to CASA RPT rules.


There's some confusion, as in NZL there's no differentiation between charter & RPT apparently.
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Old 27th Oct 2015, 02:33
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yes but skystar, think we might be correct
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Old 27th Oct 2015, 04:06
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so Pilat, what do you think that means ?


Unfortunately, might have to be an aviation lawyer to clarify that, which I am not.
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Old 27th Oct 2015, 04:55
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Things are roaring along, perhaps a bit more research would have been in order.

Kiwi Regional Airlines cuts back on Queenstown flights due to lack of demand | Stuff.co.nz

Time for a second aircraft!!
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Old 27th Oct 2015, 06:45
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Things are roaring along, perhaps a bit more research would have been in order.

Kiwi Regional Airlines cuts back on Queenstown flights due to lack of demand | itsStuff.co.nz

Time for a second aircraft!!
Day one and the plans not looking good?
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Old 27th Oct 2015, 07:55
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Just shows what a shoestring budget they must be operating on. Most start up companies would persevere for a few months to see if they can 'build' a route. Pulling the pin on day one due to forward bookings shows a distinct lack of funds.
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Old 27th Oct 2015, 08:50
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It also shows a distinct lack of market research. I don't know of anyone (except Mr Wilson) who thought DUD-ZQN would be viable. It's like HLZ-AKL, but without all the connections.
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Old 27th Oct 2015, 09:44
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BNEA320:Heard that 2nd aircraft is on it's way.


Freight ?


Maybe they'll get a QC aircraft.
Yeah I heard that too.

Not freight or QC...... Just a nicely painted model to go on Ewan's desk.
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Old 27th Oct 2015, 11:14
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so they could easily fly domestically in Australia under NZCAA rules ?
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Old 27th Oct 2015, 19:45
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According to the Otago Daily Times there were 19 pax on the inaugural flight from Dunedin to Queenstown.

They're already talking about scaling back the services to Mondays and Fridays only.
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Old 28th Oct 2015, 00:06
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heard that DUD/ZQN/DUD flights aren't going that well, but rest are doing very well, so they may adjust the DUD/ZQN flights accordingly.


DUD/ZQN is a very short sector or 3 hour drive ?


This sector might only work if someone was flying DUD/OZ. DUD/OZ fares are usually significantly cheaper than ZQN/OZ fares.


Sometimes AUD$300-$500+ difference per person, which is significant, especially if number of members of family involved & many people on tight budgets these days.
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Old 28th Oct 2015, 08:48
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Why would they want to fly in Australia? There is no work for them. Work that is there has already been snapped up.

I'm surprised you don't suggest kiwi air should buy the VARA FK50's and run them trans tasman? under 20tonne rule... right?
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