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Old 24th Sep 2015, 10:59
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They might have plenty of suitable applicants but the clock is ticking big time so QLink crews will no doubt be doing the bulk of the flying in NZ initially. Those planes need to be fully crewed from Day 1 no matter what.

JQ regional crew will probably do some line training in Aus before they go over to NZ depending on where the training resources are spread out at the time.
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Old 24th Sep 2015, 19:56
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fpvdudeGoing nowhere, not sure how happy the unions would be with lower wages, NZ propstar new hires, flying Australian routes in Qlink colours...
That'll be balanced out by the QLink guys flying on NZ conditions while they operate in NZ.
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Old 25th Sep 2015, 00:59
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I haven't heard about the command applicants, but I assume it is more down to the fact that they are going to have to run the schedule with mainly Qlink pilots to start with due to the short lead in time. Judging by Jetstar NZ (A320) it will take a couple of years to get the operation fully crewed by local crews.
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Old 25th Sep 2015, 10:54
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Backtracking, with a start date of Dec 1, just on 2 routes, a month for the type rating, Nov, and a month notice to start, Oct, and considering some started their type rating around mid Sept, there is no problem reaching the start date. Though at the very commencement with line training required, they will need an all Auz crew I presume. Would line training in Auz count? Anyway, from the stories I am hearing it would seem the whole interview process is nothing but a exercise to satisfy some requirement of interviewing the locals. Q300 training Captains and current Q300 pilots are not making it through. Quite a few Suzi pilots are being interviewed. Myself, with similar sized aircraft turboprop experience and ATPL being given the 'no' of not meeting their requirements to even get an interview. All the while the pilots that have been given the yes are Instructors with experience less than the advertised minimums. When combined with an interview that scrutinizes your ASL exam results and looks for exact dates from your log book to match your in interview stories, all tells me the entire interview exercise is just to tick a box, and they only required a few who will take the conditions and treatment that Jetstar will provide.
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Old 25th Sep 2015, 11:13
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I think what you describe falls under the "Jetstar cultural interview"

There's also the risk associated with conducting too much line training on the initial flights while starting up ops in a new country.
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Old 25th Sep 2015, 11:32
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this is the modern airline interview .. At all cost, the candidate must be malleable, flexible, loyal, non-verbal and non-militant, committed to the company, and fiercely standardised. No candidate displaying tendancies toward independence or self sufficiency or individuality will be allowed to succeed.. Interview technique includes rubbing shoes and buttons with candle wax to remove the shine..
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Old 25th Sep 2015, 11:46
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WARNING

Be careful of any contractual agreements when paying for endorsements with Jetstar. If it's another failed venture, when they shut the doors Jetstar will bill you for the remainder of the type rating IN FULL $$$.

Potentially jobless with a massive bill. Taking the Pay2Fly farce to a whole new level!

"On Ya Jetstar".

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Old 26th Sep 2015, 03:25
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What about the Sim?

I hear what some people have said about the interview and its structure. But if it's just flight instructors getting through on FO spots, how would they be doing in the sim check which follows?

Wouldn't more experienced turbo-prop guys be at a much higher standard?
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Old 26th Sep 2015, 05:44
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The thing about sim checks Jokey (any sim checks, and is that supposed to be JoCkey?), is they're not looking for the ace of the base best turbo-prop driver they can find. What they are looking for is that someone has potential and can be taught. Obviously if they're already experienced on type, then a higher standard is expected.

So regardless of whether they're flying instructors or 2,000hr turbo-prop drivers, it shouldn't matter.

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Old 26th Sep 2015, 06:35
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Originally Posted by morno View Post
The thing about sim checks Jokey (any sim checks, and is that supposed to be JoCkey?), is they're not looking for the ace of the base best turbo-prop driver they can find. What they are looking for is that someone has potential and can be taught. Obviously if they're already experienced on type, then a higher standard is expected.

So regardless of whether they're flying instructors or 2,000hr turbo-prop drivers, it shouldn't matter.

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Haha it's suppose to be Jokey!

I hear exactly what your saying. I understand they aren't looking for the best pilot necessarily, and train-ability comes into it all.
I was more referring back to previous comments in a way, that noted they have overlooked a lot of TP drivers and taken a lot of FIs instead.

At the end of the day, if you tick their boxes, interview and sim well, you give yourself the best chance!

Good luck to anyone who makes it through!
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Old 26th Sep 2015, 07:21
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I know of a few guys who have interviewed. None of them were flight instructors.
So because you know a very small sample it therefore applies to all that have been interviewed? Is that what you are trying to say?
Tell us all about those that you know that did get in?
My observation was nothing about them taking nothing but Instructors. Simply that as an example some of those that are getting in, do not even meet the experience that has been advertised as a minimum.
At the end of the day, if you tick their boxes, interview and sim well, you give yourself the best chance!
Lets not forget that this is not a 'o they were good at interview' thing. This means HR invited to interview candidates knowing that they do not meet the hours advertised before they are even interviewed. Which fits with, for anyone else out there that is wondering what the heck is going on, the whole thing appears to be a farce and a tick box process of having 'interviewed the locals', when in reality the intent is to take hardly anyone.

The Jetstar turboprop operation is not here to make a profit, sure it might barely, but it is more about bleeding money from Air NZ with the drop in prices they will have to suffer to compete, and a retaliation for Virgin Australia in which Air NZ has invested.

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Old 26th Sep 2015, 09:24
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One would hope that the jet operation is not being put at risk by this (probably) loss making light aircraft venture.
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Old 26th Sep 2015, 20:27
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As ever, pilots are so good on these forums with turning on each other, looking for a way to deride the person, while being incapable of understanding the point trying to be made. It makes you wonder why there aren't more fights in the cockpit.
Good luck to all those sending in applications, not hearing anything, and those totally confused as to why they didn't get through and wondering why; as you know, it's all about you...or is it...
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Old 27th Sep 2015, 18:23
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Hours- Hours- Hours !!

Hours- Hours- Hours !

What do hours tell us ?
Or is SKILL more important?

Francois Sommers Logbook for 6 Jun1944
Unit: 12 FAFL (Forces Aériennes Françaises Libres)
Acft: Douglas DB-7/Boston 3A
Regn: BZ 332
Mission: From 0600hrs create a smoke screen every 10mins between the naval bombardment force and the coast - at UTAH beach.
Flight hours: Before 6Jun44 Day: 244:45hr Night: 6:20hr
6Jun44: 1:35hr

Perhaps some other 'experienced avaitors may satisfy your egos? (and hours)
Commandant René Mouchotte
Squadron commander of No. 65 Squadron RAF, the first RAF squadron to be commanded by a non-Commonwealth officer.
Accumulated 1,748 flying hours, including 408 operational hours flying 382 combat sorties.

Flight Lieutenant Harry Hooper
At 19 one of the youngest pilots to fly the Lancaster Bomber during the Second World War. (Lancasters only had ONE pilot)

Hans-Joachim Marseille (13 December 1919 – 30 September 1942)
20yrs old during the Battle of Britian
158 victories against the British Commonwealth's Desert Air Force over North Africa, flying the Messerschmitt Bf 109 fighter for his entire combat career

and one from the Spitfire stable
42925 Squadron Leader Geoffrey Wellum
Joined RAf at 18, Battle of Britian at 19 etc etc.

Its not just Air Force pilots that were skilled, Operation Deadstick- an ARMY Glider Operation - SSgt Jim Wallwork landed his Glider only 45m from the bridge, at night, without lights or an FMC etc etc, just SKILL.
You will have to visit the Pegasus Bridge Museum to see his log book- only approx 100hrs more than todays Integrated CPL course.
"Their operation is equivalent to forced landing the largest sized aircraft without engine aid- than which there is no
higher test of piloting skill" Marshal of the Royal Air Force Sir Arthur Travers Harris

What are we/they looking for?
- Hours or SKILL?
- - or perhaps the indication that one has potential to develop skill?
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Old 27th Sep 2015, 18:54
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What are we/they looking for?
- Hours or SKILL?
- - or perhaps the indication that one has potential to develop skill?
Isn't it that USUALLY hours/experience = skill? Yes, there are some gifted flyers but there's more to working as a pilot than just having the skills to fly a plane and maintaining accuracy of needles.

Meaning the ability to remain calm and working under pressure. Ability to work as an effective team player and lead a team. Ability to think way ahead and multi-task. Ability to get along with people from different cultures and backgrounds... try being stuck in a cockpit for more than two hours with a person who can't hold a basic convo or someone who can't handle criticism. Some people are born with these skills, others develop these skills by gaining experience but some obviously don't care or get the chance.

From my experience, you pick guys that have good skills with some experience and know how to get along with each other and the management. Smooth sailing from there. But obviously HR see it differently.
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Old 27th Sep 2015, 21:54
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Thumbs up HR See it different

Nail on the HEAD!

Have you ever seen an HR person on the jumpseat ?
How many HR women (HR depts are 99% women) are married (or sleeping/living) with pilots ?

So if the answer to the above questions are NO and NIL, then HOW THE HELL DO HR 'ladies' know what is required on the Flight Deck?

HR questions to a colleague who recently underwent screening at a XXX airline
Q: Give me an example of how when you were under pressure you diffussed the situation/conflict.
Ans: I shot and killed him!
Startled HR 'lady'- nearly faints but manages to regain her thoughts
Q: Why did you shoot him?
Ans: He was Taliban and shooting at us !
HR: Don't you think that was a little too agressive?
Ans: No
HR: But if he was shooting at you, were you not frightened?
Ans: No
HR: I do not believe you. If you are being shot at YOU must be frightened. It is human nature. Tell us why you were not frightened.
Ans: Parachute Regt. 2 tours in Iraq and 2 in Helmund province.
HR: Where is Helmund province?
Ans: Colleague looks at Mgt Pilots - "Gentlemen, If you as an airline employ HR staff with no brains or 'Life experience' as this lady as displayed here, then you are not worthy of my services. Good day"


END of SCREENING => candidate considered TOO AGGRESSIVE !
- was he ?
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Old 28th Sep 2015, 01:26
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(Disclaimer: I'm responding to a quote from someone who heard it from someone else)

END of SCREENING => candidate considered TOO AGGRESSIVE !
- was he ?
Yes, most definitely too aggressive!

If the interview happened exactly as your colleague said it did, and the interview was for an airline.


DIVOSH!
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Old 28th Sep 2015, 01:32
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In fact...

The more I read your "colleagues" answers the more stupid I think they are.

Seriously, anyone answering questions in that manner and reacting the way they did (if it actually happened) clearly didn't want to work for that airline.

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Old 28th Sep 2015, 04:00
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I have done a bit of recruiting with some of these HR types and if the answers above were given then I wouldn't want them in the flightdeck with me. Look Guys and Girls, it is their train set and if they want to use a clairvoyant to help them with the hiring process then that is the way it is. If you don't like it don't apply for that airline.

I have been through all sorts of bizarre exercises in the quest to get hired, sometimes it has worked, sometimes it hasn't, just how it is!
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Old 29th Sep 2015, 01:53
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Good reply Pilat.
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