Bali Flts. CX due Volcanic Ash - ABC News
Flights cancelled
So how are airlines operating into Bali?
An honest question as I see J* and V cancelled again, yet the Asian carriers persisting.
Latest satellite imagery has the entire island covered. Now I realize it may not be thick ash however if its forecast to be there how can you operate into it?
Maybe no problems today or tomorrow but when time comes for engine inspection?
What am I missing? I'm dumbfounded.
Australia too safe or too cautious? I don't think so. But how can airlines validate flying into it?
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An honest question as I see J* and V cancelled again, yet the Asian carriers persisting.
Latest satellite imagery has the entire island covered. Now I realize it may not be thick ash however if its forecast to be there how can you operate into it?
Maybe no problems today or tomorrow but when time comes for engine inspection?
What am I missing? I'm dumbfounded.
Australia too safe or too cautious? I don't think so. But how can airlines validate flying into it?
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I'm with you. I have family members scheduled to fly from Sydney to Bali on Sunday via Garuda. So far as I can see, Garuda flights are still operating. I'm concerned for their safety. If there's a risk to public safety, why aren't all carriers cancelling flights?
I'm with you. I have family members scheduled to fly from Sydney to Bali on Sunday via Garuda. So far as I can see, Garuda flights are still operating. I'm concerned for their safety. If there's a risk to public safety, why aren't all carriers cancelling flights?
I guess VA and JQ have made their beds now they need to sleep in them.
The VAAC forecast ash was well north of DPS up to FL 170. All Asian Airlines including SQ CX MH EK etc operated quite safely into DPS today.
Must be costing VA JQ quite a packet.
Update----the latest VAAC forecast is overhead DPS up to FL 170 so fair enough they cancel. Now what are other Airlines doing including mine??? Mmm
The VAAC forecast ash was well north of DPS up to FL 170. All Asian Airlines including SQ CX MH EK etc operated quite safely into DPS today.
Must be costing VA JQ quite a packet.
Update----the latest VAAC forecast is overhead DPS up to FL 170 so fair enough they cancel. Now what are other Airlines doing including mine??? Mmm
Problem is J* and V err on the side of caution. Ash cloud within X miles etc.
Yes it was to the Nth yesterday but forecast less than 40nm from airport.
I'd be frustrated as a pax but I'd also be happy knowing that safety comes first.
A quick search you will see Tiger, SQ, Air Asia, Silk all still Bali bound.
Back to my point when is it ok to disregard safety or a volcanic ash report.
All ok till something flucks up, I wonder I'm a few days time if a few engines may devil some issues.
Yes it was to the Nth yesterday but forecast less than 40nm from airport.
I'd be frustrated as a pax but I'd also be happy knowing that safety comes first.
A quick search you will see Tiger, SQ, Air Asia, Silk all still Bali bound.
Back to my point when is it ok to disregard safety or a volcanic ash report.
All ok till something flucks up, I wonder I'm a few days time if a few engines may devil some issues.
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It beats me as well how and why everyone else is flying into Bali except the Qantas group and Virgin. Note that it's not just the Asian carriers, even KLM etc are operating into Bali.
Genuine question, don't they have some sort of volcanic ash avoidance policy? How do they decide when to stop flights?
Genuine question, don't they have some sort of volcanic ash avoidance policy? How do they decide when to stop flights?
Maybe
Ahhh maybe while Aussies have been concentrating on ADSB installation they have missed the boat on the new VADSUHD.
Yes that's the Volcanic Ash Dection System Ultra High Def.
Sheesh can't believe they forgot to get it installed.
Good on the rest of the world leading and installing it.
Now gotta go put a new order in for an overhauled Thrunomeister, of course that can wait as going flying in the C209XLT tomorrow.
Now where do I order a VADSUHD?
Yes that's the Volcanic Ash Dection System Ultra High Def.
Sheesh can't believe they forgot to get it installed.
Good on the rest of the world leading and installing it.
Now gotta go put a new order in for an overhauled Thrunomeister, of course that can wait as going flying in the C209XLT tomorrow.
Now where do I order a VADSUHD?
I suppose you could say that's why Australia has never lost a VH registered jet.
Elsewhere, particularly the region concerned, the dollar comes first and the hull losses happen with regular occurrence.
Elsewhere, particularly the region concerned, the dollar comes first and the hull losses happen with regular occurrence.
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Is the volcano still erupting or is it just that the ash cloud is hanging around? If this goes on for weeks you could have 10 thousand people stuck up there. What happens then, does the government get involved with the military to air lift people out of there?
I am currently on holiday in Bali with my family. We arrived on the 4th Melbourne to Singapore and then down to Denpsar with KLM.
The ash cloud is having no obvious effect on the ground here and is certainly not affecting departures and arrivals from the east. I am aware that situation could deteriorate rapidly but surely a rescheduled daylight flight with a Singapore or Darwin alternate should be able to cut the mustard.
Mind you looking at the weather due to pass through Victoria on the weekend, I may be able to cope with a few more days up here.
The ash cloud is having no obvious effect on the ground here and is certainly not affecting departures and arrivals from the east. I am aware that situation could deteriorate rapidly but surely a rescheduled daylight flight with a Singapore or Darwin alternate should be able to cut the mustard.
Mind you looking at the weather due to pass through Victoria on the weekend, I may be able to cope with a few more days up here.
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LOP also closed, all other AC avoiding the area at high levels
B1067/15 NOTAMR B1065/15
Q) WAAF/QFALC/IV/NBO/A/000/999/0845S11616E005
A) WADL B) 1507091531 C) 1507092230
E) AD CLSD DUE TO RAUNG MT ACTIVITY
CREATED: 09 Jul 2015 15:31:00
SOURCE: WRRRYNYX
Q) WAAF/QFALC/IV/NBO/A/000/999/0845S11616E005
A) WADL B) 1507091531 C) 1507092230
E) AD CLSD DUE TO RAUNG MT ACTIVITY
CREATED: 09 Jul 2015 15:31:00
SOURCE: WRRRYNYX
Well then
That will stop them!!! (Maybe)!
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AUSSIES Can't fly
Aussies are not flying to Bali because they are NOW from a nanny state where panic rules.The great Australian skilled QF/AN knock about pilots are all retired.
When you live....
Like Fluke I'm now on extended enforced holiday in Denpasar. Today it's just blown over very smokey/hazy. AD is closed until 7.30 local tonight and the tourist panic is starting - Jetstar are apparently quoting no seats available until 24th or so....
I always wanted to learn to surf.....😃
I always wanted to learn to surf.....😃
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Well I could think of worse places to be stuck!
It's a reminder to us that we live on planet earth and will be dictated to by it not the other way around. At the same time as this there's a Typhoon in Japan.
Still it will be interesting to see if any of the airlines operating in and out the last few days experience any engine issues due ash, not that we will ever hear about it if so.
As a pax I've been delayed by weather and yes it sucks but I'd rather have a cold Bintang in my hand than two engines quiting due ash... Etc!
It's the way of the airlines today, push push push around the limits. Good on J* and V for showing some integrity.
As for the post re old skool pilots I'll take that as tounge in cheek.
Hoping the mountain stops being angry very soon so all the kiddies can get back to school on time
It's a reminder to us that we live on planet earth and will be dictated to by it not the other way around. At the same time as this there's a Typhoon in Japan.
Still it will be interesting to see if any of the airlines operating in and out the last few days experience any engine issues due ash, not that we will ever hear about it if so.
As a pax I've been delayed by weather and yes it sucks but I'd rather have a cold Bintang in my hand than two engines quiting due ash... Etc!
It's the way of the airlines today, push push push around the limits. Good on J* and V for showing some integrity.
As for the post re old skool pilots I'll take that as tounge in cheek.
Hoping the mountain stops being angry very soon so all the kiddies can get back to school on time
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Whilst nobody knows the guys full reasoning or situation on the day, there is something of a sticking point for me out of this story.
The amount of people who turn up to work on the flight deck of an aircraft worth millions upon millions of dollars, carrying paying passengers over thousands of kilometres and millions of city dwelling innocents, whilst feeling under the weather, or after a night without sleep, or in an emotionally unfit state, etc ,etc ,etc; is pretty astonishing.
Airlines have folks on standby for a reason, they have means to get extra help from others when the standbys are all used up (day off payments in some airlines, etc), they have a massive support network that can swing into action to ensure things get done.
YOU ARE NOT LETTING ANYONE DOWN BY CALLING IN SICK!!!!!
Don't be afraid to do it!
I would be even more peeved if you show up to work and pass an illness on to me, or contribute to an incident such as this, rather than have a perfectly healthy standby come out and work instead.
The amount of people who turn up to work on the flight deck of an aircraft worth millions upon millions of dollars, carrying paying passengers over thousands of kilometres and millions of city dwelling innocents, whilst feeling under the weather, or after a night without sleep, or in an emotionally unfit state, etc ,etc ,etc; is pretty astonishing.
Airlines have folks on standby for a reason, they have means to get extra help from others when the standbys are all used up (day off payments in some airlines, etc), they have a massive support network that can swing into action to ensure things get done.
YOU ARE NOT LETTING ANYONE DOWN BY CALLING IN SICK!!!!!
Don't be afraid to do it!
I would be even more peeved if you show up to work and pass an illness on to me, or contribute to an incident such as this, rather than have a perfectly healthy standby come out and work instead.