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Old 9th Jul 2015, 08:22
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Flights cancelled

So how are airlines operating into Bali?

An honest question as I see J* and V cancelled again, yet the Asian carriers persisting.

Latest satellite imagery has the entire island covered. Now I realize it may not be thick ash however if its forecast to be there how can you operate into it?

Maybe no problems today or tomorrow but when time comes for engine inspection?

What am I missing? I'm dumbfounded.

Australia too safe or too cautious? I don't think so. But how can airlines validate flying into it?

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Old 9th Jul 2015, 08:47
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I'm with you. I have family members scheduled to fly from Sydney to Bali on Sunday via Garuda. So far as I can see, Garuda flights are still operating. I'm concerned for their safety. If there's a risk to public safety, why aren't all carriers cancelling flights?
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Old 9th Jul 2015, 09:06
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Bali is clear, no ash at all. Coming from Australia you should be to the south of it all the time.

The ash cloud is not that high, or dense.
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Old 9th Jul 2015, 09:25
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Thanks swh. It's still not clear to me why J* and V should cancel.
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Old 9th Jul 2015, 09:39
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I guess VA and JQ have made their beds now they need to sleep in them.

The VAAC forecast ash was well north of DPS up to FL 170. All Asian Airlines including SQ CX MH EK etc operated quite safely into DPS today.

Must be costing VA JQ quite a packet.


Update----the latest VAAC forecast is overhead DPS up to FL 170 so fair enough they cancel. Now what are other Airlines doing including mine??? Mmm
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Old 9th Jul 2015, 10:00
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Problem is J* and V err on the side of caution. Ash cloud within X miles etc.

Yes it was to the Nth yesterday but forecast less than 40nm from airport.

I'd be frustrated as a pax but I'd also be happy knowing that safety comes first.

A quick search you will see Tiger, SQ, Air Asia, Silk all still Bali bound.

Back to my point when is it ok to disregard safety or a volcanic ash report.

All ok till something flucks up, I wonder I'm a few days time if a few engines may devil some issues.
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Old 9th Jul 2015, 10:03
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Yes well I'm agreeing with you now as the observed ash is now over the airport.
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Old 9th Jul 2015, 11:31
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It beats me as well how and why everyone else is flying into Bali except the Qantas group and Virgin. Note that it's not just the Asian carriers, even KLM etc are operating into Bali.

Genuine question, don't they have some sort of volcanic ash avoidance policy? How do they decide when to stop flights?
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Old 9th Jul 2015, 12:21
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Maybe

Ahhh maybe while Aussies have been concentrating on ADSB installation they have missed the boat on the new VADSUHD.

Yes that's the Volcanic Ash Dection System Ultra High Def.

Sheesh can't believe they forgot to get it installed.

Good on the rest of the world leading and installing it.

Now gotta go put a new order in for an overhauled Thrunomeister, of course that can wait as going flying in the C209XLT tomorrow.

Now where do I order a VADSUHD?
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Old 9th Jul 2015, 13:09
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I suppose you could say that's why Australia has never lost a VH registered jet.

Elsewhere, particularly the region concerned, the dollar comes first and the hull losses happen with regular occurrence.
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Old 9th Jul 2015, 13:30
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Is the volcano still erupting or is it just that the ash cloud is hanging around? If this goes on for weeks you could have 10 thousand people stuck up there. What happens then, does the government get involved with the military to air lift people out of there?
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Old 9th Jul 2015, 13:44
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Is there any particular reason why other airlines are still flying in and around Bali?

Do they not take their safety regulations as serious as Australia?
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There is a very good reason why Australia has a far better safety record that our Asia counterparts. Passengers should realise that paying a low low airfare to Asia on a budget Asian carrier usually means that cuts have been made somewhere - most likely to the safety standards

Chances are it will get there fine
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Old 9th Jul 2015, 15:49
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I am currently on holiday in Bali with my family. We arrived on the 4th Melbourne to Singapore and then down to Denpsar with KLM.
The ash cloud is having no obvious effect on the ground here and is certainly not affecting departures and arrivals from the east. I am aware that situation could deteriorate rapidly but surely a rescheduled daylight flight with a Singapore or Darwin alternate should be able to cut the mustard.
Mind you looking at the weather due to pass through Victoria on the weekend, I may be able to cope with a few more days up here.
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Old 9th Jul 2015, 18:33
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DPS closed due volcanic ash

A1413/15 notamn
q) waaf/qfalc/iv/nbo/a/000/999/0845s11510e005
a) wadd b) 1507091446 c) 1507092230
e) ad clsd due to raung mt activity
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Old 9th Jul 2015, 19:45
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LOP also closed, all other AC avoiding the area at high levels

B1067/15 NOTAMR B1065/15
Q) WAAF/QFALC/IV/NBO/A/000/999/0845S11616E005
A) WADL B) 1507091531 C) 1507092230
E) AD CLSD DUE TO RAUNG MT ACTIVITY
CREATED: 09 Jul 2015 15:31:00
SOURCE: WRRRYNYX
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Old 9th Jul 2015, 21:33
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Well then

That will stop them!!! (Maybe)!
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Old 10th Jul 2015, 00:16
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Latest NOTAM shows AD will be closed for the day.

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Old 10th Jul 2015, 01:02
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AUSSIES Can't fly

Aussies are not flying to Bali because they are NOW from a nanny state where panic rules.The great Australian skilled QF/AN knock about pilots are all retired.
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Old 10th Jul 2015, 02:56
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Like Fluke I'm now on extended enforced holiday in Denpasar. Today it's just blown over very smokey/hazy. AD is closed until 7.30 local tonight and the tourist panic is starting - Jetstar are apparently quoting no seats available until 24th or so....

I always wanted to learn to surf.....😃
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Old 10th Jul 2015, 03:52
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Well I could think of worse places to be stuck!

It's a reminder to us that we live on planet earth and will be dictated to by it not the other way around. At the same time as this there's a Typhoon in Japan.

Still it will be interesting to see if any of the airlines operating in and out the last few days experience any engine issues due ash, not that we will ever hear about it if so.

As a pax I've been delayed by weather and yes it sucks but I'd rather have a cold Bintang in my hand than two engines quiting due ash... Etc!

It's the way of the airlines today, push push push around the limits. Good on J* and V for showing some integrity.

As for the post re old skool pilots I'll take that as tounge in cheek.

Hoping the mountain stops being angry very soon so all the kiddies can get back to school on time

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