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Old 27th Apr 2015, 00:12
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Interesting to read last Friday United has converted an order for 10 x B787s into 10 x B777-300ERs. Delta in discussing the B787 recently mentioned fuel consideration is only one of its fleet metrics.

Is the B787 novelty starting to wear thin ?
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Old 27th Apr 2015, 00:29
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Interesting to read last Friday United has converted an order for 10 x B787s into 10 x B777-300ERs.
Word is that UA got the 773ER for almost the same price as the 787s they cancelled. Why you may ask? It suited Boeing as it made room on the 787 production line for other 787 orders and Boeing were happy to fill vacant spots on the last of the 777 line before the 777X comes.

From United's perspective the 777300ER is a more useful plane to replace their 744 fleet. Now wouldnt it be funny if QF did the same thing
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Old 27th Apr 2015, 05:10
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Qantas will get some 747-800s with special tanks fitted in the forward hold as Boeing are pretty desperate to sell them. They'll be able to get them for less than the 787 rate and someone will get a bonus for such ground breaking thinking.

After all, the 787 and the 777 are not the right aircraft for qantas.

Meanwhile Jetstar will get the 787/777 NG and fly the pacific.

4 engines for premium passengers and longhaul. Twins for leisure passngers.
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Old 27th Apr 2015, 05:34
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Originally Posted by The Green Goblin View Post
Qantas will get some 747-800s with special tanks fitted in the forward hold as Boeing are pretty desperate to sell them. They'll be able to get them for less than the 787 rate and someone will get a bonus for such ground breaking thinking.

After all, the 787 and the 777 are not the right aircraft for qantas.

Meanwhile Jetstar will get the 787/777 NG and fly the pacific.

4 engines for premium passengers and longhaul. Twins for leisure passngers.
TGG, I think the evil smile would have been more appropriate.
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Old 27th Apr 2015, 06:43
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don't agree


The 787 would be perfect for such routes as BNE & MEL/YVR & to go daily on SYD/YVR or at least have some 744's & some 787's on the SYD/YVR route.


Also swap YVR for DFW above ex BNE & MEL. Wouldn't have to be daily.


Could a 787 fly further with a full load nonstop ?


Similarly SFO should be flown nonstop by QF. Losing business to UA nonstop & also to NZ via AKL.
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Old 27th Apr 2015, 08:57
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Qantas will order a big amount of 787-9's. Some will go to Jetstar, the majority will go to mainline along with some 787-8's that will return from Jetstar once the 9's are online. I could see the 737's being replaced with A319/20/21 as the Qantas group already has loads of these on order and the Jetstar franchise experiment has failed so they don't need many more apart from replacing some older frames.
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Old 27th Apr 2015, 16:52
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If you're getting cold feet in the Airbus you don't know your systems and you're turnin
Yeah, that's why they have a Foot Warmer options on a320/321....
Blank space for optional switch on your A/C next to Side wall light's switch etc.

FFRATS.
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Old 27th Apr 2015, 23:27
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Yeah for operating on the ground in the northern hemisphere where it's pretty cold on the ground

It's not as cold in the troposphere at high latitudes due to the lower tropopause, so it can't be for the cruise can it

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Old 28th Apr 2015, 00:09
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They are bloody cold on the BOC DN or PH rtn. Lucky I have my "Q" jumper .....
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Old 28th Apr 2015, 01:26
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The old Boeing versus Airbus chestnut- I put it to you, that most people commenting wouldn't have a clue what is under the floor or behind bulkheads on either type. You could cover a Russian tractor with a Lamborghini body and most of you guys wouldn't know- let's all stick to what we're good at.
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Old 29th Apr 2015, 06:20
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First Qantas 777

Strike me! Just saw this depart YMML:

Qantas (QF) #777 ? FlightAware
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Old 29th Apr 2015, 07:20
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I think you'll find it's a 'half-past three' (330).
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Old 29th Apr 2015, 09:06
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I think he knew that. A bit like the "Ansett" A380 in the Qantas Fleet. As a side issue though how come QF can use aircraft type designators in their flight numbers?
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Old 29th Apr 2015, 10:02
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same reason they use mistresses names for waypoints round ymml

wendy, paula, bolinda, lizzi, sally…

and before you ask, no i'm not that way inclined

ps i see i'm back in favour again since the feb27 airac cycle update
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Old 29th Apr 2015, 10:27
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So if that is the case then you prefer the waypoints Nigel, Wayne, Willie, Johni, Fredi,and Sammi????? HA HA!!
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Old 29th Apr 2015, 11:04
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It would be closer to mark to describe the Airbus as Holden Commodore and the Boeing as a Ford Falcon.


I have heard many times that a Boeing is built so third world farmers can become pilots and an Airbus is built for ergonomic enjoyment.


Desperately wrestling the gorilla across the fence in 2kts of wind or barely rising above 90bpm in the very worst of conditions... I know what I prefer
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Old 29th Apr 2015, 11:29
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which is another reason why pilots are getting further behind in the highest earning occupations thread.

not exactly a hard job now is it
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Old 29th Apr 2015, 11:33
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And which would be the gorilla?
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Old 29th Apr 2015, 11:33
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Boeing or Airbus Mastema? I've not flown Airbus so unsure which is the Gorilla.
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Old 29th Apr 2015, 13:03
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1a,

The 787s are currently being produced at a 30 million real dollar loss per frame, moving the frames from the 787 line to the 777 is where the 300 million dollar savings is for Boeing.

Boeing also has a big hole on the production line between the 777 and 777X, they are a couple of years short of orders to maintain production at the current rate. If they reduce the rate, the cost of producing them goes up.

United has also ordered I think 35 A350s, their 777s will arrive about 2 years before their A350s. Singapore Airlines has ordered 70 A350s, Cathay around 50, just about every Asian airline that currently operates 777s into Australia has ordered A350s.
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