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Qantas and the 787-900

Old 1st Feb 2015, 23:34
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"777-9X in 2019? You're dreaming.

Cathay is the launch customer and they don't arrive until at least 2021."

Throw in Boeing's recent track record for delivering aircraft development projects on time and it could be 2025 before they arrive.
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Old 2nd Feb 2015, 00:01
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Excuse my apparent ignorance, but where, exactly, has it been stated that QF is getting the 787 ?
They have a order from Dixon's days and the options are up soon, so the speculation is they will go to mainline.
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Old 2nd Feb 2015, 02:58
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777-9X in 2019? You're dreaming.

Cathay is the launch customer and they don't arrive until at least 2021.
From 2021 Qantas will be looking to replace the last of the 744s.
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Old 2nd Feb 2015, 03:53
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This is rumours, but the word I'm getting is the 787-9 is coming in early 2017 and it will be used to launch new routes and the 747 has got a second life with the drop in fuel prices.
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Old 2nd Feb 2015, 07:19
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By 2017 the fuel price will be back up. It isn't going to last, not long enough to give the 747 a reprieve.
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Old 2nd Feb 2015, 09:58
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Is it just coincidence that the Rumor Qantas are getting 787's has happened at same time as JQ are in EBA talks ?
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Old 2nd Feb 2015, 10:11
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I don't reckon it is. The 2017 timeframe for their arrival has existed for the last 2-3 years. There's multiple reports going back eons to that fact. It's always been an 18 month to two year lead time on when we needed to finalise the orders. Two years brings them to now.

I reckon they'll be announced as part of the half yearly results. Look what geniuses we are and now we can reinvest and re-equip lingual with fuel efficient, etc, etc, etc.
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Old 2nd Feb 2015, 10:17
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Qantas and the 787-900

Cathay pacific is the first Asian customer, don't believe they are the official launch customer
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Old 5th Feb 2015, 07:09
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Going Boeing is on the money.
The 787-9 was always coming to Qantas but it can't do everything.
There is too big a capacity gap between the 787-9 and the A380 hence why they need something to fill the gap. I heard myself senior QF Exec say the 787-10 was perfect for QF in Asia but no further interest noted. Even still too much of a capacity gap.
They need the new 777 simple! The timeline ex Keg makes sense.
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Old 6th Feb 2015, 10:01
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B Scale for Qantas Long Haul (787-9)

Rumour has it AIPA have concluded their negotiations for the 787-9. The agreement is apparently a "B scale" agreement to the LH. Advise?
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Old 6th Feb 2015, 10:25
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Yep.

Jetstar.....
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Old 6th Feb 2015, 10:44
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Pretty impressive to have "concluded" anything in the whole two weeks since negotiations started.
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Old 6th Feb 2015, 10:57
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Yep.

Jetstar.....
BOOM, BOOM! Never gets old, hey?

Tuner 2 I have it on pretty good advice this is the case, if you know any different please share.
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Old 6th Feb 2015, 11:07
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I'm not an EBA negotiator but I am 99.9% certain that nothing of substance could possibly have been "concluded" since talks began only two weeks ago.

I'm sure the company would be pushing for a new set of terms for a new type. I doubt it will sink to the depths of the jetstar WB terms or the Virgin 777 terms though.
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Old 6th Feb 2015, 11:10
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Tuner 2

Unless of course, "informal talks" have been happening for a while.

I sense a degree of urgency on the companies behalf to get this LH Agreement thru.
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Old 6th Feb 2015, 11:12
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Who knows? I'm sure many people have informal talks about many things, but I doubt that anything is concluded. I know several of the negotiators well and I don't get the impression anything has been decided. They're probably still going through the process of listening to the company wish list.
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Old 6th Feb 2015, 11:23
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It's not going to happen, you'd have mass resignations from AIPA if they are walked over for a B scale on the 787.

Qantas has introduced new types before in a mature and sensible fashion.
They have not stockpiled pilots just for fun, they expect mainline to fly whatever future aircraft is chosen and will again be reasonable.
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Old 6th Feb 2015, 11:26
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Somebody else may have more info but what I've heard.

Longhaul Award in its entirety, except for no overtime. The A330 hourly rate.
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Old 6th Feb 2015, 11:39
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I doubt it will sink to the depths of the jetstar WB terms or the Virgin 777 terms though.
Tuner 2, what are the current terms for the VA777, and J* WB?
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Old 6th Feb 2015, 18:27
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Yes, it's well known they want a B scale for the 787 . It is not concluded, they have produced their wish list which is similar to previous asks they have made. Reduced overtime and night credits been two. IMO anyone who thinks we will fly the 787 on current conditions is living in fantasy world. Interesting enough they don't want to change crewing numbers. Only time will tell what they agree on and then of course the pilots can vote it up or down as they see fit.
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