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Tony the Tiler 27th Jan 2015 19:52

Qantas and the 787-900
 
New grist for the mill. In news just in, Qantas have finally admitted / committed to the orders for the 787-900. For those who watch such things, it was never in doubt as they effectively stole them from Boeing. I mean, it would have been a crime to let the orders go.

Actually, there would be serious grounds to punish the executive team for dereliction of fiduciary duty if the options were let go. But alas, the little Irishman and his team will escape the gaoler in the nick of time. Q1 FY2016 in the parlance of the shinybums, or July this year for mere mortals, is the signing ceremony. Hugs and handshakes all around for the ‘leadership’ team as they tell anyone who’ll listen that they have performed an amazing acrobatic trick and turned international around. With such mastery of the aerial arts, they should be in a circus.

Anyhow, now the spectacle begins. Who is going to fly the 787 and on what contract? Jetstar have set the bar (well more of a tripping hazard) and now AIPA are in deep negotiations to “secure our future.”

One wonders what leverage they have to consummate the marriage. Long haul award and 787, a match made in heaven.

Mstr Caution 27th Jan 2015 20:03

What's to say an in principle deal hasn't already been done.

Qantas aren't prepared to announce a new type without knowing who was flying the aircraft & at what rate.

From what I've heard the Long Haul award wasn't the sticking point, just some of the ad ons.

maggotdriver 27th Jan 2015 20:14


In news just in, Qantas have finally admitted / committed to the orders for the 787-900.
Hey, Tony the tiler, from where are you getting this info or is it PPRune at its best?

Ollie Onion 27th Jan 2015 20:34

Well, the peeps around Jetstar head office have been saying for about 2 years that when the 787-900 comes then Jetstar will be swapping out a few of the 787-800's for the 900's to enable more long routes. So I expect that the first few will go to Jetstar.

Iron Bar 27th Jan 2015 20:45

Well, the "peeps" around Jetstar head office have all just been sacked or left. Might need to check with the new "peeps".

Ollie Onion 27th Jan 2015 20:56

We'll see.

TBM-Legend 27th Jan 2015 22:19

So what is a 787-900?

I can only find the 787-9...

ghyde 28th Jan 2015 01:27

Boeing is buying some of the recently retired QF B767's.

Maybe this is sweetening the deal for an upcoming Boeing announcement.

captwawa 28th Jan 2015 02:17

Got a link showing that ghyde?

Keg 28th Jan 2015 02:32


Well, the peeps around Jetstar head office have been saying for about 2 years that when the 787-900 comes then Jetstar will be swapping out a few of the 787-800's for the 900's to enable more long routes. So I expect that the first few will go to Jetstar.
That was the original plan from back in 2008 or so. By my reckoning there's been at least 312+ new plans since then! :ok:

Dr Dolittle. Yes, until he was announced as the new CEO for QF international. Then it all made sense.

Kiwiconehead 28th Jan 2015 02:35

The man from #42 is CFO of Qantas International, wouldn't he being signing the cheques for 787s?

ghyde 28th Jan 2015 04:06

OGJ was purchased by Boeing on 23/01/2015 and the registration has changed to N324BC

QFBUSBOY 28th Jan 2015 04:36

Qantas Engineering at its Best
 
http://www.smh.com.au/business/aviation/qantas-poised-to-record-1-billion-profit-ubs-20150128-12zr24.html"]http://www.smh.com.au/business/aviation/qantas-poised-to-record-1-billion-profit-ubs-20150128-12zr24.html]Qantas poised to record $1 billion profit: UBS

Who said Qantas Engineering was dead?

The only problem is that the best Engineers work on the board, and not in the hangar.

What a remarkable turnaround :hmm:

TWT 28th Jan 2015 04:41

This link works better:

Qantas poised to record $1 billion profit: UBS

-438 28th Jan 2015 05:42

You'd have to wonder how large the profit could be if QF hadn't sunk large volumes of cash into -

Various Jetstar entities
Red Q
Locking out employees/customers
Buying then parking A320's for months on end then on selling those airframes to Chinese carriers at discounted prices
etc etc over a period of years

And instead, invested those large sums of money into modern fuel efficient fleet renewal for the mothership.

captwawa 28th Jan 2015 06:11

Very true but unfortunately -438 we are not the smartest men in the room. If only they read this. However I'm sure they know.

Beer Baron 28th Jan 2015 06:20

Regarding the 767's registered to Boeing; if I recall correctly the 76's that Qantas sold to West Jet in Canada were being sold through Boeing so that may account for the rego change. Can't be sure though.

FFRATS 28th Jan 2015 14:00

If theses 787-9 orders for QANTAS are confirmed the question is-

'Has Jetstar International lost its backing from the board?'

The plan for years was 1x787-9 goes to JQ, 1 used 787-8 goes to mainline.

Last year a few 787-8 ordered were cancelled for JQInt and no talk about when 787-9 coming to replace their current aircraft. Only talk about, if QF Int returns to profit new orders will be looked at.

I guess if the same rule was applied to JQ Int it could have been applied last year? Just not announced to the public like every QF profit target :rolleyes:

FFRATS

toolish 28th Jan 2015 16:49

I think you will find the 3 jetstar 787 deferred not cancelled.
Just because Qantas orders them doesn't mean the are all going to have a red tail.

mrhooker 28th Jan 2015 20:46

Qantas doesn't need 787's (330 size). It needs a 747 replacement.


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