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Old 11th Jan 2015, 10:16
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"JETLAG - SA airways in the Andrews era." Interesting read.
summary - SA was brutally murdered by an an American import CEO called Coleman Andrews between 1998 and 2001.
"The foreigner was overpaid scoundrel who ran our airline into the ground, stole its money and scuttled abroad to escape our righteous wrath" Quote from the back cover.
What other americans were gaining their airline experience there between 1998 and 2001?
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Old 11th Jan 2015, 10:24
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I'm not commenting on it at all. Other fish to fry for me at the moment!
Fair enough, re-reading I see that.
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Old 11th Jan 2015, 11:00
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He may be a spin artist - but from tv appearance is prepared to call challenge others spin as well. May actually keep the CEO in line.


Interestingly the oil price drop may allow the board to come out of the last couple of years of average leadership looking golden. The strategy to flood the market with capacity may pay off if the public keep flying and the air fares don't drop.
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Old 11th Jan 2015, 15:13
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It's all well and good to claim that pilots should fly the planes and the running of the company should be left to the businessmen, but it's an indisputable fact that the smartest men in the room have managed to turn a billion dollar annual profit business into a $2.3 billion dollar loser in just a few short years. This of course has been due to factors outside their control, but now that a small profit might be on the horizon, everyone is once again slapping themselves on the back and congratulating themselves on how their vision has turned the airline around.

So when you write that pilots have no idea about how to run an airline, then I would suggest that they certainly couldn't have done much worse than the current crowd.
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Old 12th Jan 2015, 02:19
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Savage....


And you could probably get a part time job as a brain surgeon on the side as well....After all if you can fly a plane you must be smart enough to carry out any other profession in the known world. Get over yourself.


Did you think you were as capable at running a business the size of QF when you were flying rubber dog sh*t out of the far north, hot bedding in a back packer share house in Darwin, living on take away pizza, and drinking chateau cardboard fruity lexia???
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Old 12th Jan 2015, 02:41
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A drunk monkey could do a better job than the current mob. Writing all you costs off for the next two years and then saying how smart you are to turn the business around is drawing a long bow but no one in the financial industry and/or media have questioned these moves. Unless the current management buys new fuel efficient aircraft for mainline(where the money is made!) then the company is fatally flawed.
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Old 12th Jan 2015, 02:44
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This concept that a pilot should be seen but not heard as if we're unknowing little children is such a poor CRM principle that it needs to be condemned whenever it's sprouted.

We are a group with a pretty high iq (though occasionally outsmart ourselves when it comes to personal finances), grasp big picture concepts pretty readily and often have well developed BS detectors. To suggest that our position of pilots gives us no insight into the manner in which an airline is run- which is often a question more about leadership, change management, communication and emotional intelligence than it is about high finance- is as stupid as suggesting that a pilot must be the only person who can run an airline.
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Old 12th Jan 2015, 05:17
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That may all be so but pilots live in a very insulated (the most insulated in my view) section of any given airline, particularly large legacy carriers. IQ and BS detectors are not what it takes to run a large company that has to deal with ALL aspects of a business as opposed to one small section.


I am not advocating that the current management team are doing a good or bad job, but what qualifies a pilot to make claim to being able to run an airline better than others??? You don't need a university degree to be a pilot.You don't need any qualification to become a pilot. You just need money, tenacity, and perhaps both.


CRM is an interesting concept to raise.....Wasn't that born out of you guys blindly believing that because you are a captain only your opinion counted and god forbid a lesser human being should question your judgement. Interesting that you need to be trained to even master a simple thing like communication and taking into account others opinions and views.


Stick to flying them......
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Old 12th Jan 2015, 06:08
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just added another to my ignore list
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Old 12th Jan 2015, 06:21
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CRM is an interesting concept to raise.....Wasn't that born out of you guys blindly believing that because you are a captain only your opinion counted and god forbid a lesser human being should question your judgement. Interesting that you need to be trained to even master a simple thing like communication and taking into account others opinions and views.
I guess using your analogy anyone who has done an MBA must be a complete moron. Wasn't that sort of course born out of managers having no freaking idea how to manage?

I guess you've shown nicely how little you know of CRM as well.. and learning... and how cultures have changed over the years.

Agree with newsensation.
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Old 12th Jan 2015, 06:52
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Based on Gas Bags post we had better get rid Mark Binskin and the RAAF heirachy 'cos most of them are pilots.

Whilst we are at it we might as well clear our Army 'cos their heirachy are all soldiers.

And then there is the Navy.......................

But then again there are some complete idiots in civvy street with MBA's.

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Old 12th Jan 2015, 07:07
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Most Airlines were created by Pilots and Engineers and quite successfully operated for years(Cathay, Qantas, ANZ and American to name a few). Unfortunately for American and all the US larger carriers they were taken over by MBA heros or Financial Engineers and guess what 10 went bankrupt. Gas Bags is another Wannabe. Ignore him!
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Old 12th Jan 2015, 07:08
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Gas Bags

And you could probably get a part time job as a brain surgeon on the side as well
Well I certainly wouldn't be getting much work from you.

I was alluding to the fact that the MBA brigade weren't exactly covering themselves with glory, but yes I do think that some technical/industry experience input on the board would be beneficial.

Just because you are incapable of gaining a command, or comprehending a basic paragraph, does not mean all pilots are similarly unintelligent.
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Old 12th Jan 2015, 07:20
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I know for a fact it was a pilot that pushed to buy 777s for QF but the dickheads didn't agree and even Dixon admits his mistake. Who started and ran the airline for about 65 years? A pilot. Who started Cathay? A pilot. Who started KLM? A pilot. Most of the shit in Qantas we could see happening way before the blunts even knew what day it was. Which group has the most skin in the game? Pilots. I know pilots whom are Doctors ,Lawyers, Pharmacists, Engineers by the hundreds, Mathematicians, even a bloke with a PhD in Physics, so don't ever believe some tosser in management knows more cause generally they don't.
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Old 12th Jan 2015, 07:23
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Gas Bag, let me suggest some reading for you.

For starters I suggest you look up the biographies and histories of:
Charles Lindberg
Sir Charles Kingsford Smith
Sir Reginald Ansett
Sir Robert Law-Smith
Frank Ball
Sir Frederick Scherger
Horrie Miller
Bobby Gibbes
Sir Dennis Buchanan
Sydney Hugh de Kantzow
Roy Clinton Farrell

That'll do for a start but there are many more once you've read and learned something from that lot.

tipsy.
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Old 12th Jan 2015, 07:50
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My posts above were written as an experiment to see what kind of response they would generate with reference to a pilots ability to run a major airline.


In the 7 responses immediately following there are:


2 people choose to ignore me from now on, I am branded as unintelligent, I have failed plasticine class at kindy, pilots have the most skin in the game (forget the many other thousands of people that make an airline work - back to that insulated bubble I was talking about earlier), I am a wannabe who cant get a command, and so on.


And all that from the people who think they should be running a multi billion dollar company....


It is a big difference starting your own airline from scratch as a pilot and learning the way to run it along the journey, from simply being an airline pilot and jumping in the deep end to steer the QANTAS ship 90 odd years after it was founded.
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Old 12th Jan 2015, 08:32
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Yeah, because how I interact with an internet troll has a direct correlation with how I run an executive team. You really are just making up stuff as you go along!
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Old 12th Jan 2015, 08:47
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Experiment??? Fess up dude, you got called out and you have.....Nothing!!!!
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Old 12th Jan 2015, 09:00
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Oldies but goodies.

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Old 12th Jan 2015, 09:10
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MBA=Master Bullsh1t Artist.

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