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Old 17th Feb 2018, 11:22
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Without going on about the English language prowess,the acceptance of and 'dumbing down' of educational and professional standards is not acceptable. We all achieved to higher standards than what has become the norm. English is the primary language throughout Melanesia and it's not that hard to get right. As a learning experience walk into any public school in Melanesia and have a look at the resources they have to work with...it's sobering.
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Old 17th Feb 2018, 12:14
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Originally Posted by tripelapidgeon View Post
The English language thing is not really irrelevant. The comment of its a PNG or Pacific thing is indicative of an acceptance of reduced standards from an operational sense and an overall reduction of governance and oversight from a societal point of view. This goes to the crux of the current industrial dispute where management thought they could make decrees and ride rough shod over the pilot body. There was a sham negotiation which the geniuses in ANH house classified as consultation.Is that a PNG THING ????
I couldnít agree more. What does ďitís a PNG/South Pacific thingĒ even mean? Nothing, itís just a cop out. Why is it a PNG/South Pacific thing? Well, Troppo seems to have answered the question perfectly above.....education.
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Old 18th Feb 2018, 07:52
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Rumour is there is a new schedule out to replace schedule 125(A). And that it only utilises 3 or 4 Fokkers. February/March has always been the low time of year, so who knows how that will go.
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Old 18th Feb 2018, 11:59
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Surely no Airline Owner or Management team could be so inept or stupid to get to this position...could it be a plan for ANG to get rid of its Domestic Ops...give it to CG (who happens to also be owned by the GOVT in "around about way".

Leave ANG to do just International...leave the troublesome Domestic stuff to others.

A thought bubble yeah, but if the rumours are true about dropping down to a 3/4 aircraft schedule from a 9 aircraft schedule, while having a fleet of 14 Fokkers !!!!!

And if the owners, read the PNG Govt hasn't bothered to step in , surely some planing for this must have happended, otherwise the Management, Board of Directors and Post Holders would been flicked by now.

Airlines PNG have brand new ATR's, more coming, and Air Niugini has old Dashes and old Fokkers doing the Domestic runs. How does a private company get finance for new airframes and the Government owned Airline still flies outdated aircraft.

And does a drop down to 3/4 airframe schedule mean some of the guys will be furloughed, or is the schedule meant to meet the pilot numbers?

Was a freaking mess three + years ago, but from the sidelines this is now obviously worse and embarrassing to watch, sad for those still there.
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Old 18th Feb 2018, 21:37
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It's PNG, there are wheels within wheels and hidden agendas everywhere. The predominate public perception is the reduced Fokker ops is due to pilot shortage and DH8/B737 are being used to cover previous Fokker sectors.
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Old 19th Feb 2018, 00:16
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Does anyone remember the change over from Talair to MBA ? Perhaps something similar is going on.
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Old 21st Feb 2018, 08:17
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I'm hearing that a Fokker ground school started on monday for 3 direct entry captains and a company upgrade captain. However the 3 direct entries were no shows.

Must have been underwhelmed by the T&C's.
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Old 21st Feb 2018, 09:02
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Hope the contract instructor (JN?) still gets paid..
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Old 21st Feb 2018, 09:18
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Some airlines know they will have a few no shows for a class of new joiners and stick in a couple of extras to allow for this. Looks like ANG couldn’t even fill an intake, let alone have a few reserves.

Next step, other than collapse, is no bring in short term contract pilots which will generate considerable resentment when their pay package gets known.
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Old 21st Feb 2018, 10:09
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Originally Posted by krismiler View Post

Next step, other than collapse, is no bring in short term contract pilots which will generate considerable resentment when their pay package gets known.
My money is on the former rather that the latter. If they had the money for contract pilots they would have already tried to have appeased the pilots and quell the exodus, they are not complete imbeciles.

I think PX is simply so impoverished that they have no choice (with the current management and lack of foresight and imagination) other than to carry on down the road to self destruction while hoping in the meantime some sort of sourcery will save them.
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Old 21st Feb 2018, 10:17
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Also heard tonight that 70 flights were cancelled on the last roster due insufficient crew.
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Old 21st Feb 2018, 10:30
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Over 100 employees laid off at the government owned OkTedi mine today.
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Old 21st Feb 2018, 11:19
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Originally Posted by Loud Handle View Post
My money is on the former rather that the latter. If they had the money for contract pilots they would have already tried to have appeased the pilots and quell the exodus, they are not complete imbeciles.

I think PX is simply so impoverished that they have no choice (with the current management and lack of foresight and imagination) other than to carry on down the road to self destruction while hoping in the meantime some sort of sourcery will save them.
"They are not complete imbeciles" ? huh🤔🤔🤔🤔

Also know a couple of Ok Tedi expats who bailed a couple of years ago because they could not stomach the corruption and ineptitude anymore.
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Old 22nd Feb 2018, 04:43
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This was planned for the beginning. In 2014 Toofa issued a memo that told all the pilots that the company would move to having an almost all national pilot composition with just a few expats. He has well and truly achieved his goal and Iím sure he is giving himself a big pat on the back every day.

ANGís current situation is purely political. Thatís why the politicians are tolerating it and tolerating the current management team.

Any expat who accepts a position at ANG with an expectation of long term employment is naive, IMHO!
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Old 25th Feb 2018, 04:43
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Naive would be an understatement. To take a a job with PX let alone expect any form of long term career would indeed be a perilous move. A little research of this thread or better still have a chat to some of recent and current drivers and they will give the good/BAD oil. Unless of course one would like to experiment in a game of Russian Roulette with all barrels loaded.

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Old 26th Feb 2018, 06:31
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Information from my sources tells me that a minimum of 22 flights a day are now being cancelled due to no crew.

And as for the recent get together with ops, been told that they had no furniture (tables, chairs etc) so had to borrow them from the Gateway and return them after the frivolities.
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Old 28th Feb 2018, 04:14
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I am hearing that another 3 have pulled the pin. 2 National Captains on the Dash fleet who have recently completed their cadetships only to find they have been put on B scale along with a National FO. All gone to the opposition

Just waiting on confirmation so only a rumour at this stage.
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Old 28th Feb 2018, 09:19
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Originally Posted by olderairhead View Post
I am hearing that another 3 have pulled the pin. 2 National Captains on the Dash fleet who have recently completed their cadetships only to find they have been put on B scale along with a National FO. All gone to the opposition

Just waiting on confirmation so only a rumour at this stage.
Well congratulations to the National pilots for standing up to the bullying from the 4th Floor and having the stones to do whatís best for them, their families and their careers.

Now, letís hope the expat pilots left have the gumption to do the same.

And before the two or three apologists that chime in here defending the expats who stay for one flimsy reason or another and attack Pruners like TBL Warrior as they prattle on about supporting the expat pilots.....boo [email protected] hoo! .......there are no excuses left for expats to stay in this toxic environment!

With the plethora of jobs available (and I mean plethora) at the moment everyone left should have at least three applications in with other carriers.

Which ones? Doesnít matter, none can be as bad as the present shit show and just having an application in will make you feel better as you take it up the proverbial.

Unless you have Stockholmís Syndrome you have no excuse to stay at the South Pacific Circus.
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Old 28th Feb 2018, 10:18
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Well said Loud Handle
Agree with every word you said
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Old 28th Feb 2018, 19:09
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Looks like the clock is ticking



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