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Old 30th Sep 2016, 03:57
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Air Niugini's pain is PngAir's gain.
The turmoil at pixi is helping to prop up Pngair..one incompetent manager helping another incompetant one.(
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Old 30th Sep 2016, 04:25
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Sorry Faheel,bad as Pixi has become,PNG air has to much of a bad reputation and with the same management,a new name and a few new aircraft,people and mining companies don't want a bar of them.
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Old 30th Sep 2016, 04:38
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Nope, its amazing what shiny new aircraft do to the travelling public's perception of an airline.
Couple that with all the flight cancellations that Pixi have made..the only way for people to move about is on PngAir.
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Old 30th Sep 2016, 07:03
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NCD I have been informed that the flight to Micronesia will operate at night and my sources also tell me that in the PX manuals it states that Tokua is not to be used for an alternate at night and yet in fact the flight plans show it as the alternate at night.

Reliable source also tells me pilot's are in fear of sacking if they do not comply. Worlds best HR manager would make sure of it if directed by Toofar.
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Old 30th Sep 2016, 10:05
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Now let me think about this one Older.

Get sacked from one of the world's worst airlines and escape from a filthy corrupt dangerous country where most people hate you. (I'm not being racist here - this statement applies to both expat and local pilots).

Or risk your health, career and maybe life flying thirty + year old F100s out over the Pacific at night with no ETOPS approvals or capability, with an alternate that is not a suitable airport (Tokua is about 15 nm from an active volcanoe that erupts sporadically and has very unreliable lights), and with poor radio coverage (HF with San Fransisco very unreliable at times). And you'll probably have a handful of MELs just to make it a bit more exciting.

Why would you do that? It's like I was once told by the then Fleet Captain I could use Hoskins as an alternate for Lihir at night. I pointed out that Hoskins doesn't have lights. I was told you don't need lights for an alternate!!!!!

For god sake guys get another job or just walk away. Every pilot that left ANG in the last two years either got a better job or a better life.

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Old 1st Oct 2016, 00:13
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Please clarify, a PX Fleet Captsin thought HKN a suitable night alternate?
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Old 1st Oct 2016, 00:59
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Just like operating the Dash 8 into Chimbu, lots of fancy numbers and procedures to make everyone feel good. Any major failure after about 40 knots through to the flap retraction height would ended up in serious injury or death. Great fun though, sadly I'll probably never get to do that kind of flying in a large aircraft ever again.
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Old 1st Oct 2016, 01:22
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At the recent interviews for Fokker F/O's, applicants were turbine experienced from other PNG operators. They were told they would not be considered for command upgrade until they had 3000 hours on type.

So 5 years on B scale to get a command on a 30+ year a/c that hardly anyone else operates with deteriorating work environment.

Story is that some are considering the offer and after 500 hours do a bolter with some jet time under their belt.
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Old 1st Oct 2016, 09:05
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Qatar or Emirates would have a look at 500hrs jet, but you'd be behind those with Airbus or Boeing time.
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Old 1st Oct 2016, 14:32
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If those interviewed are considering an offerered Contract, have it in mind that the terms (and conditions) of the current contract expire on the 20th day of March next year.

The current contract was a huge reduction in both terms and conditions over the previous one, without any negotiation whatsoever...PNG's best....

Who knows WHAT will be on the table when that dismal piece of shite contract expires in March next.
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Old 1st Oct 2016, 21:29
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A very reliable source has just emailed me and said that there were only 4 interviewed for the FO slots and so far none have been offered a position. Poxie in their never ending self belief had booked 3 x 4HR SIM sessions expecting to be flooded with applications. They only used one.

And to top that off Toofar had forgotten to renew the SIM contract and paid more than if someone walked off the street and wanted a session with a trainer!

Poxie - a never ending money pit with managers who are a protected species.

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Old 3rd Oct 2016, 01:00
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...a never ending money pit with managers who are a protected species.
Don't know about that, I hear that at least one Manager is trying to improve the financial bottom line...... by decreeing that when attending Courses in the Training Centre you will only be allowed one paper cup per day for your drink of water or coffee (or both).

Wonder how many paper cups equal 1 hour of Sim time?
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Old 3rd Oct 2016, 10:58
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For those mathematically inclined:

PX has 11 Fokker's with one more to arrive and has 20 line Captains and 4 check Captains with one not flying too much so that is only 2 Captains per aircraft. Schedule is about to expand with Micronesia flights and Cairns flights (QF pulling out) added so one can expect many cancellations.

Another interesting fact is that since the introduction of the new contract 143 weeks ago there has been an average of 2 pilots leaving every 3 weeks. If that rate continues there will be no expats left in around 97 weeks.
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Old 4th Oct 2016, 22:41
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Sometimes it is funny where one gets information!

One of my spies tells me that an office that deals with pilot conditions have been told to build a new set of lower pay scale tables for the pilot body.

Whether it is true or not will be revealed when Poxie present their new employment conditions when the current disputed ones expire.

Never a dull moment in paradise.

(edited to protect the guilty)

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Old 4th Oct 2016, 23:10
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Latest rumour is that they will be operating the drones from the 4th floor, operated by a bunch a 4 year olds using iPads.
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Old 6th Oct 2016, 11:41
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IPADS hah hah - the four year olds WHO will have to buy them themselves then salary sacrifice the cost . Same as Toofar's plan for aircraft EFB'S
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Old 6th Oct 2016, 23:33
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After many months of speculation it appears that the complete split between PX and Link PNG is about to become a reality.

Link pilots attended a meeting last night for a presentation of the new stand alone Link contract.

At this stage there is no hard copy available (maybe PX are scared it will be leaked) but as further details come to hand they will be shared.
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Old 7th Oct 2016, 06:03
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One of my colleagues forwarded some notes her wantok took atthe meeting. Donít agree with all thethings being proposed, but it does seem that someone is trying to make theoperation more attractive for new pilots.
From what I understand

  • Present Air Niugini pilots will stay on Air Niugini contracts but still fly the DHC-8 (unless they resign from Air Niugini and sign a LPNG contract)
  • Same low B scale base salary as the 2015 contract (plus 8.4% super). However reasonable margins for experienced pilots (apparently up to an additional K90,000 for Captains if you have more than 10,000 hours and time in PNG) . Also up to an additional K80,000 on top for FOís if you have more than 3,000 hours flying
  • Margin of 30% for Training Captains and 43% for Check Captains
  • Seniority date with Air Niugini based on the date you join Link PNG
  • Same staff travel as Air Niugini
  • Commuting as an option wherever Air Niugini has a daily RPT flight
  • Tours available for Captains and FOís but not on the full pay (seems to be either 80% or 70% of the full time package) , with travel on the Air Niugini network
  • Roster of 18 days on, and 10 days off.
  • 4 weeks annual leave. However can have additional 2 weeks annual leave , but a 5% pay cut, or 4 more weeks annual leave with 10% less pay
  • Incentive pay based on duty hours
  • Currency stabilised to the Australian Dollar for those touring/commuting from off shore
  • Apparently means a Check Captain with more than 10,000 hours would be on about K 450,000, or Australian 220,000 , and an experienced FO on Kina 170,000 or Australian 80,000

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Old 7th Oct 2016, 08:15
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That's less than they get now. How is that attractive ?
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Old 7th Oct 2016, 09:19
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Is this competitive with what PNG Air are paying their Check Captains?

Is the gross figures mentioned the total salary package, ie they take the super, housing, travel, etc out of the quoted amounts or is it based on the pay (cash component) before it is taxed?

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