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Old 15th Aug 2014, 07:54
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Sarcs, mate, you really are a cynical Bast..ard !


and I wholeheartedly agree with your "in praise of Creamie" pure unadulterated Gold...Na... Platinum..
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BYE BYE SKULL!!

Well, only a few hours to go, Friday 29th August 2014 will be remembered as the day that the Angry Man left the CASA building
He can officially, should he want to, join the IOS! No more criticism shall he endure...no more pineapples about pot plants, temper tantrums or running out of petrol...no more shall he be cruelly taunted by the 'ills of society', tendentious bloggers or AMROBA!
But what shall he do now? Run as an independent in Adelaide at the next federal election perhaps? Become a spokesman for ICAO? Go back to Hong Kong as president of the Stalag Star Chamber Society? Too many choices too many choices.
So Terry, the A380 endorsed senior citizen, welcome to Big Johns chair, even if it is a 'caretaker' role. Please try to stay awake though, we know how hard it can be. Maybe you can get Sky Sentinel to encompass a snooze button?

Let the fun begin.....

And John, don't bang the door on the way out!
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Well done VIPA, AIPA, DF, AP, JO et.al

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Media Release: 3 September, 2014.

CASA’s CAMPAIGN AGAINST CVD PILOTS

In a formal Submission to Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Infrastructure and Regional Development Warren Truss, the Virgin Independent Pilots Association (VIPA) claims the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) has mounted a coordinated and vigorous campaign to discriminate against pilots who have colour vision deficiency (CVD).

Members of the VIPA Executive, along with the President of the Australian and International Pilots Association (AIPA), will meet with Minister Truss today to highlight how, despite assurances from CASA, changes to CVD practices have been introduced without full industry consultation.
“VIPA will tell Minister Truss that CASA’s claims relating to safety-related implications of CVD pilots’ abilities are palpably false, as no such evidence actually exists,” VIPA Executive Director, Simon O’Hara, explained.

“After a review of the Civil Authority Safety Regulation Part 67, CASA has unfairly ruled that Class 1 pilots with CVD will have to inform their employers about their CVD and also “may” be forced to undergo a colour assessment and diagnostic test (CAD) in the future.
“Under the regulations, three levels of CVD testing are available, with the third level test providing an opportunity for CVD pilots to gain an unrestricted medical certificate if they pass a test which simulates an operational situation.

“CASA are now dubiously using the CAD test for the purposes of this third level of testing. It is purely a clinical CVD test which does not simulate any operational situation encountered in an aircraft.

“Previously, CASA have accepted passes in practical flight and simulator testing as sufficient evidence that CVD pilots can safely carry out their flying duties.
“As a result of this past practice, several thousand CVD pilots have progressed their careers to the highest levels possible in aviation since the early 1990’s, with unblemished safety records.
“Now, any new pilots who fail the three levels of colour vision testing will be issued with a medical certificate which is valid for daytime operations in good weather only.

“We are all extremely concerned that these pilots are now unlikely to continue in a career in aviation and will simply walk away from the industry altogether.”

According to VIPA, CASA’s actions disregard 25 years’ of demonstrated safety cases and have been triggered by an appeal lodged in the Administrative Appeals Tribunal (AAT) by CVD regional airline pilot John O’Brien, against a refusal by CASA to permit him to become a Captain.

“VIPA and its members, along with other industry groups, have lost confidence in the Aviation Medicine (AvMed) section of CASA,” Mr O’Hara said.

“Several recent AAT cases are littered with examples of the dubious decision making of CASA’s AvMed section and criticise its Principal Medical Officer (PMO) for making decisions which are inconsistent, ill-supported and ill-reasoned.

“Pilots are often left with no choice except to appeal these bureaucratic decisions through the AAT and in doing so, they are often financially crippled attempting to balance the uneven process against a regulator with unlimited access to tax payer funded resources.
“CVD pilots are just the latest group to be targeted by the PMO and their plight highlights the reason why VIPA and many in the industry are calling for an urgent overhaul of the AvMed section of CASA.”

Mr O’Hara will be joined by the Australian and International Pilots Association (AIPA) President, Nathan Safe, along with Senator David Fawcett, Mr O’Brien and Dr Arthur Pape, an authority in CVD, at today’s meeting with Minister Truss in Parliament House.

VIPA media contact: Simon O’Hara: 0400 188 815.
CVD pilots youtube rehash:



MTF...

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Dump it all in the Ministers lap

So I am assuming that CASA FOI's are also required to meet these same vision standards as industry? After all, they too hold pilots lisences and endorsements, so one would assume they have the correct vision to adequately assess coloured annunciators and airport infrastructure, otherwise how could they accurately assess what actions a pilot is taking in the flight deck?

I applaud industry for taking this matter directly to Truss. The question now is will the Minister have the balls to direct Mr MrDak to mitigate this issue immediately, and at a minimum call for the scalps of the Ag DAS, Associate DAS, PMO and Ferreday? All of these individuals would have been aware of and supported CASA's direction in this matter. Enough is enough.
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Happy snaps.

From CVDPA - @warrentrussmp "Thanks for listening to the concerns of VIPA & AIPA on behalf of CVD pilots."


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That's got to make a few people nervous in casa! Estimates in October. Casa will need to have that new research to hand and put up a strong case. Where is the research still buried in trim or sky sentinel.

Perhaps the new test is can you see the elephant in the room.

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Dunno about spot the elephant Oh half baked one; there are so many queued up in the minuscule's office, spotting a bit of wall or the floor would be a tougher task.

Perhaps those of the pink variety have fogged vision and addled brains; perhaps the miniscule's tactic is to starve them out; or, drive 'em mad waiting, waiting, waiting.

Having now looked after the Gobbledock's mighty beast and a couple of it's mates for a while, there are some salient details related to the care, feeding and mucking out of elephants I should pass on to his office wallahs. Perhaps "The Gobbledock Report" would help him out, if I can get it done in time for the Estimates tea party.....

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Leopard & spots.

Slight drift here but the parallels of embuggerance are obvious...

Warning this FF MR has a PG rating..:
Coober Pedy runway requirements
CASA has been working closely with regional airline Rex and aircraft manufacturer SAAB to better ensure the ongoing safe operation of Rex flights at Coober Pedy.
However, aspects of the arrangements that have been in place for the Rex SAAB 340 flights at Coober Pedy do not provide for the appropriate continued management of safety on an 18 metre sealed runway with gravel edges.
An 18 metre sealed runway is classified by the International Civil Aviation Organization as a ‘narrow runway’.
CASA believes it is in the best interests of the travelling public to introduce new safety standards for all narrow runway operations across Australia, including Coober Pedy.
These arrangements will include an assessment of the capability of aeroplanes to conduct safe narrow runway operations.
Where an aeroplane type cannot safely use a narrow runway one option is to widen the runway surface.
The Coober Pedy Council Mayor has stated:
“The runway at Coober Pedy will be widened to a 30 metre homogenous surface and there are a number of dedicated people working to ensure this happens. Councils works department is ready to start work on the project and I have sought in principle support from the state minister for local government and regional development to undertake this work during the councils caretaker period.”
Given these assurances CASA will continue to permit Rex to operate the SAAB 340 to Coober Pedy while the runway widening work is carried out.
CASA expects the runway work will be completed as soon as possible in the interests of safety.
There will be no additional restrictions on Rex SAAB flights to Coober Pedy, although those conditions already in place to address known safety issues will continue.
It should be noted that leading aviation nations such as the United States, Europe and New Zealand do not allow narrow runway operations under the arrangements that have been in place in Australia.
However, CASA believes it is in the interests of the Coober Pedy community to allow these flights to continue in the short term because any restrictions could cause social and economic disruption.

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However, CASA believes it is in the interests of the Coober Pedy community to allow these flights to continue in the short term because any restrictions could cause social and economic disruption.
But hang on a sec’. Isn’t the safety of air navigation the most important consideration? You’ve doomed passengers at Coober Pedy to an excursion off the runway and a death plunge down a nearby mineshaft!
It should be noted that leading aviation nations such as the United States, Europe and New Zealand do not allow narrow runway operations under the arrangements that have been in place in Australia.
It should also be noted that Coober Pedy rarely gets ice and snow, the operational consequences of which are part of the justification for the runway width standards …
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SHAME for Truss.

When a safety management system receives a report or audit result, particularly one from the regulator changes are initiated. Any request for Requested Corrective Action or notification of non-compliance is given priority, actioned and acquitted by the regulator. Should a company receive multiple NCN over a period of time; such as Barrier did, the company will be closed down, as Barrier was. CASA allow very little time to respond and even less for the discussion of issues; and, non whatsoever, of whether the company will or will not accept the audit result.

And yet the regulator seems impervious to audit report and will refute any unpalatable safety recommendation from the ATSB. There are literally thousands of pages which support the fact that despite all logic, CASA will not accept the recommendations of either coroner or the ATSB, but would rather spend time and money addressing and abrogating the identified area of responsibility, not with a view to improvement, but to reduction of 'liability' and responsibility.

I believe it is time the travelling public were made aware of just how little the regulator values their lives and how their safety will be sacrificed in order to preserve the safety of the regulator.

At the moment the CASA is staring down a damning report from a Senate committee, which through the investigation of one small incident uncovered a nightmare web of deception, incompetence, 'flexibility' of standards and a total disregard of expert advice. Notwithstanding the flagrant disregard for due process, protocol and the law the most sinister aspect of CASA process was revealed – a willingness to cloud over or cover up the absolute shambles. There can, from the evidence provided, be seen a clear trail of collusion, second agenda and the absolutely crystal clear intention of the manager overseeing the process to manipulate the investigation to suit a predetermined outcome. On May 23, 2013 the Senate released a damning report which, supported by an acknowledged aviation expert, made 26 serious, far reaching recommendations for reform of the regulator, which have simply been ignored by the current Minister, the CASA board and CASA.

The Senate AAI report prompted Minister Truss to order a further report to be conducted by three independent, acknowledged 'safety' experts; two from overseas. The ASRR although limited in scope was released on June 03, 2014. The shocked panel produced 37 further serious, far reaching recommendations for reform of the regulator, which have simply been ignored by the Minister, the CASA board and CASA.

This is a total of 63, serious, important recommendations, produced by expert, independent aviation specialists publicly demanding immediate, far reaching changes to the regulatory system and the regulator. IGNORED.

It begs the questions; is the Minister deliberately misleading the public? and if so, why? If the publicly available documents indicate that 63 changes must be made, how many more have been concealed from view?

There can be no doubt the current situation if not addressed will impinge on public safety, just as surely as it is impacting on industry. Australian aviation is clearly unsafe and becoming less safe each and every minute that slips by, without the serious, clear and imminent danger being addressed.

Shame on the Minister, shame on your sloth, obfuscation, lack of meaningful response or direction.

Shame on the Minister for failing to act in 2008 and failing again in 2014.

Shame on you Minister for denying your responsibility; the reports you ordered clearly indicate there are deep, significant flaws within the regulator, the abomination reflected in the toxic culture and abysmal, expensive almost useless regulations, you claim will protect the Australian people, who you, may I respectfully remind you; are sworn to serve.

Shame on you Minister, you are rapidly becoming a cornerstone of the problem and being made fully aware of the problems, by denying their existence and failing to act, become as culpable as those you are protecting.

By shaming yourself, you demean every Australian.

Selah.

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Leopard & spots - Part two.

Happy snaps aside, the truth of the matter (in all its ugly glory..) is laid bare in a few short paragraphs by Kharon - bucket of choccy frogs to that man..:
There are literally thousands of pages which support the fact that despite all logic, CASA will not accept the recommendations of either coroner or the ATSB, but would rather spend time and money addressing and abrogating the identified area of responsibility, not with a view to improvement, but to reduction of 'liability' and responsibility.
I would add the empirical & historical evidence of over a quarter of a century, all dutifully recorded in many a CVD pilot's log book.

In the case of Cooper Pedy airport, the many safe landings & departures on the Shire's record of airport movements would again also more than adequately reflect an empirical safety record dating back over a quarter of a century.

From Aunty today I note that there is finally a Federal pollie, outside of the Senate, that dares to question Fort Fumble's BASR approach... (my bold):
MP questions need for Coober Pedy runway widening

The federal Member for Grey, Rowan Ramsey, is welcoming a decision over commercial flights to Coober Pedy but says he believes taxpayers' money will be wasted in widening the runway.

Regional Express has cancelled flights to the outback town from November 13 over new Civil Aviation Safety Authority regulations concerning the width of the town's runway.

The authority says existing operations can now continue until the runway is widened to meet the new standards.

Mr Ramsay is questioning why it has reached this stage.

"My bottom line is how much of a safety issue is it when we've been landing on it safely for 27 years with the same or similar aircraft?" he said.

"I actually think at the end of the day, and this is only Rowan Ramsey speaking, but I think that the strip doesn't need widening at all - it's a waste of public money to do so.

"But if there is no backing off from the regulation, if there's no allowance for the fact that we've got such a strong safety record there and the strip has to be widened, well then the strip has to be widened."
Must admit the Member for Grey has a point...

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Safety, what safety?

I know there has been robust debate about whether Truss is asleep at the wheel, well my belief is that he isn't. He knows the game and he knows it very very well. But that's my point, it's politics and it is a game. Do you really think these overpaid habitual rorters could give a bucket of donkey crap about aviation in general, regulatory frameworks and peace for all mankind? Sorry guys and gals, the horse well and truly bolted decades ago and we have been standing chest deep in its excreta ever since. Let us see, for example, what we have by way of politicians;
- The Hon Peter Slipper
- The Hon Troy Buswell
- The Hon Craig Thomson
- The Hon Geoff Shaw
- The Hon Eddie Obeid
- The Hon Russ Hinze
- The Hon Peter Dowling..........need I continue scraping the surface?

The point being is this - the most senior of politicians, and most in general, are lying and deceiving grubs (perhaps excluding the likes of Fawcett, Xenophon, and a handful of genuine Independents). So if this is the fabric of the guys at the very top, what hope is there that senior public servants, career bureaucrats and other assorted department CEO's, Directors or executive managers will ooze integrity, honesty and transparency? Yep, exactly......

Folks, the day that Truss buried the ASSR submissions and re-appointed MM to his old role of Chief spin doctor, Beaker to his old role of Commissioner of Budgets, and promoted Sleepy Terry to Ag DAS at CASA was the day that you got your answer about what the intent of the current government was in relation to improving aviation transparency and safety.
As Sunfish would say - BOHICA.
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Devil Addendum - It's all Black & White for the Member for Grey

Well do we slash our wrists now Soteria......or do we, like the Member for Grey, simply cut out the middleman...
Ramsey Angry at CASA’s Inflexibility

Federal Member for Grey Rowan Ramsey has responded angrily to a decision by CASA which threatens to kill off the Rex service to Coober Pedy.


“I am very angry that a Federal bureaucracy in CASA has shown its sheer bloody-mindedness in trying to hitch on to international regulations to which Coober Pedy has an exemption for 27 years.

“Rex airlines and before them Kendall have operated a safe, efficient and incident free service for almost three decades.

“A ruling by CASA has put air services to Coober Pedy in jeopardy and caused enormous angst in the business community, for tourist operators and locals.

“Because Coober Pedy is so isolated it is simply not acceptable that we would not have a commercial air service servicing the town, particularly when we have a very good operator happy to supply the service.

“Now after an edict on his last day of employment with CASA, the Director of Aviation Safety John McCormack, has effectively closed down Coober Pedy’s air services.

“Rex will be in contravention of the ACCC if they sell tickets beyond the period when service can be guaranteed and as a result has withdrawn bookings beyond Nov 13th. CASA has informed Rex it will not be able to land in Coober Pedy if there are cross-winds greater than 10 knots post November 13.

“Conditions outside this parameter occur approximately ten percent of the time and would render the service unviable.

“In effect, if the Rex service arrived in Coober Pedy in conditions of greater than 10 knot winds they would have to turn around and return to Adelaide with all their passengers.

“Since 2002 this service has been operated by Rex Airlines using their Australia wide of Saab 340’s.

“I have brought this issue to the Prime Minister’s attention and he is as concerned as I am regarding the ramifications this decision will have on Coober Pedy.

“The Government has no control of CASA, it merely appoints the board and CASA operates as an independent body at arms-length from Government.

“This is appropriate, however at the end of the day, CASA are public servants and I have always believed public servants should help the public, not ruin businesses and lives to satisfy some red-tape sensitive souls who are not prepared to stand up and make a common sense decision.

“I will pursue this to the highest office in the land to seek a reversal of this decision. If that is simply not possible, I believe the Federal Government has indirect responsibility for this decision and accordingly I will seeking the funding to widen the air strip, even though I believe, having operated the service safely for 27 years, such an undertaking is a complete waste of public money.”
Think you should add MP RR to the shortlist of Pollies that reside with the angels...
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The 'list'

Sarcs, happy to include RR on the list of politicians who possess integrity. I have just updated my spreadsheet However it is a very very small list. To clarify, there is no wrist slitting taking place here, I am merely pointing out the present reality. As an individual who has been personally affected by our industry's embuggerance I wholeheartedly support any change that will benefit us as a collective. I also support the passion and good will of Senators Fawcett and Xenophon, and other like minded Senators and Independents. However, based on evidence, I am yet to see any significant change in the past 20 years, change that would indicate the tide has turned. Mr Truss's accomplishment to date are reminiscent of that incompetent Albo. And don't forget that Truss had his chance back in the days before Albo, pink bats shenanigans and the sociopathic Rudd got their hands on the aviation train set.

I am more than happy to chow down on a giant **** sandwich or accept a robust pineapple in my ageing sphincter should I be 'shocked, delighted, and proved wrong about my views', but I am not lubing up just yet, sorry.
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Petition

From the CVDPA website:

Pilot Union Support : Colour Vision Defective Pilots Association (CVDPA)

The delegation also presented the Deputy Prime Minister with a petition signed by over 1700 people who have expressed concern over CASA’s handling of the CVD issue and have called on the government to intervene.
Link to the petition HERE.

Lots of good comments worth reading

While 1700 is not a huge number, let's not forget the support of each of the three major unions who also represent several thousand more pilots too.

Not a bad effort overall considering CVD pilots are a minority group.

Now, how do we wake the Minister up?
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Good question. How does one wake up a pensioner from his slumber?

Now, how do we wake the Minister up?
Easy!! Stick a nice full taxpayer trough beneath his nose. Otherwise advise him that he has just received another 20% pay rise or that some special bill has been introduced into parliament that guarantees politicians superannuation entitlements are indexed yearly and will align with a 'special' CPI rate of 1000% p/a. Otherwise an impact crater filled with charred bodies, fragmented metal and lots of composite material might get the silly old Git's attention. I wouldn't be holding my breath if I were you.
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The Deputy Prime Minister for Orchards and Foliage

What is it with these fools? Firstly CASA get embroiled in pot plant shenanigans, and now from Warren 'Errol' Truss's Farcebook page he is attending the Noosa district Orchard and Foliage anniversary celebration! Has farm boy lost the plot? Too much outback sun over the years? Did he turn up to the big event in a 1970's Volvo with a Panama hat sitting on the back seat next to some comfy sandals and flask of herbal tea? I guess Wazza could have checked to see if some of the CASA worm farm castings have been used to make the orchards grow in a robust manner, however he doesn't have the power to do such things apparently!!
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A Royal Commission....

I believe that the time has well and truly arrived that the Aviation Industry deserves an RC into the roque "regulatory"

If it can be done for abused folk and pink batts, it can be done for an abused industry
How the Guvmint can divest itself of responsibility for a Commonwealth agency and just let it run free and unrestrained, has got the place stuffed.

Its a Soviet State within a supposedly "free" and democratic country.

Some of the crap out of CAsA lately smacks of "make change, make work" to impose on the industry yet again...and keep the CAsA creche "doing something, anything.."

Apart from the colosssal waste of taxpayers funds with the reg circus...the endemic cronyism and corruption, and blatant disregard for the laws, that other people have to abide by, says it all.

Enough is enough.FFS

Hello, hello Warren, please hop out of the foliage and DO SOMETHING !!
Sorry ...nobody at home.

Hello Tony, PMC and crowd.... There is something to see here, WE can show you.
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Has the Canadian report surfaced yet?
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Has the Canadian report surfaced yet?
No. It has been buried under a beautiful Orchid. I believe next years flowering will be absolutely awesome, great fertiliser!!
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