Jetgo - have they gone?
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Firstly its great to see Jetgo prosper a breath of fresh air to Australian aviation. Secondly why hasn't the moderator jumped onto the thread it has read " have they gone" its damaging clearly. I see their aircraft about not sure how they are travelling unlike most of these pretends on pprune i actually fly for a living. To all the public who read this thread9/10s are not pilots or actually never will be mostly the guys i fly over when im 100ft above mins with 20 across my nose good luck jetgo us pilots wish you all the best
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Firstly its great to see Jetgo prosper a breath of fresh air to Australian aviation. Secondly why hasn't the moderator jumped onto the thread it has read " have they gone" its damaging clearly. I see their aircraft about not sure how they are travelling unlike most of these pretends on pprune i actually fly for a living. To all the public who read this thread9/10s are not pilots or actually never will be mostly the guys i fly over when im 100ft above mins with 20 across my nose good luck jetgo us pilots wish you all the best
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To management et al.
Gentlemen,
Is anyone from management or otherwise able to shed some light on the following please:
1. How solid are the current contracts for JetGo and what are the contract lengths like for the foreseeable future?
2. What is the main reason for the move from BNE to SYD given the cost of housing a base in SYD as opposed to BNE?
3. As of Sept 1 what will the RPT route network look like?
4. Are you able to give us an idea about the remuneration package details for Captains and FOs?
Info for others:
Current price on an EMB135/145 rating at Flight Safety in St Louis is USD $39,600. This endorsement also provides the option to conduct a differences course to cover the Legacy 600/650 as well.
Sincere thanks!
Is anyone from management or otherwise able to shed some light on the following please:
1. How solid are the current contracts for JetGo and what are the contract lengths like for the foreseeable future?
2. What is the main reason for the move from BNE to SYD given the cost of housing a base in SYD as opposed to BNE?
3. As of Sept 1 what will the RPT route network look like?
4. Are you able to give us an idea about the remuneration package details for Captains and FOs?
Info for others:
Current price on an EMB135/145 rating at Flight Safety in St Louis is USD $39,600. This endorsement also provides the option to conduct a differences course to cover the Legacy 600/650 as well.
Sincere thanks!
Polaris79,
I'm not from JetGo management, or employed by them, but OK, I'll bite:
1/ You're either kidding with that question or you're very naïve about business. Do do really expect any company to give out confidential business details over an open internet forum just because you want to know how their business is, or will be, performing in the future? You'll see those details when you either join the JetGo management team or are a shareholder. If these types of details aren't provided by the JetGo management, then they'll just be speculation.
As for your other questions,
2/ Probably because that'll be where they actually started, and that's where the answer to your 3rd question will be using as a hub, and where they believe their future plans will be best served. The costs will be factored into their plans, and contrary to what was the overwhelming initial Pprune expert opinion on JetGo, they seem to have gotten their sums right so far.
3/ I'll guess Sydney to regional centers that have a mining base or new/ expanded manufacturing industries that have poor air connections to either their management, finance, suppliers and/ or workforce. Think Qld towns like Emerald, Gladstone, Roma, etc., with their proximity to mines or new/ expanded industrial manufacturing that have to connect through Brisbane, and therefore add lots of travel time/ overnights and costs for people needing to do business in those locations, and who don't want to overnight in either the country center, or Sydney, if they're coming to do business in the big smoke. The people who have speculated about Bankstown/ Morrabin/ Essendon/ Archerfield connections will, IMHO, be proved to be way off the mark, that's never going to happen for many reasons. Security costs won't be a major factor in where they serve.
4/ Look at post 47 on this thread. Nobody has called 'Bullsh*t' on those figures, I think you'll find they're either accurate or certainly within the ballpark.
Just my best guesses on your Q's 2-4.
I'm not from JetGo management, or employed by them, but OK, I'll bite:
1/ You're either kidding with that question or you're very naïve about business. Do do really expect any company to give out confidential business details over an open internet forum just because you want to know how their business is, or will be, performing in the future? You'll see those details when you either join the JetGo management team or are a shareholder. If these types of details aren't provided by the JetGo management, then they'll just be speculation.
As for your other questions,
2/ Probably because that'll be where they actually started, and that's where the answer to your 3rd question will be using as a hub, and where they believe their future plans will be best served. The costs will be factored into their plans, and contrary to what was the overwhelming initial Pprune expert opinion on JetGo, they seem to have gotten their sums right so far.
3/ I'll guess Sydney to regional centers that have a mining base or new/ expanded manufacturing industries that have poor air connections to either their management, finance, suppliers and/ or workforce. Think Qld towns like Emerald, Gladstone, Roma, etc., with their proximity to mines or new/ expanded industrial manufacturing that have to connect through Brisbane, and therefore add lots of travel time/ overnights and costs for people needing to do business in those locations, and who don't want to overnight in either the country center, or Sydney, if they're coming to do business in the big smoke. The people who have speculated about Bankstown/ Morrabin/ Essendon/ Archerfield connections will, IMHO, be proved to be way off the mark, that's never going to happen for many reasons. Security costs won't be a major factor in where they serve.
4/ Look at post 47 on this thread. Nobody has called 'Bullsh*t' on those figures, I think you'll find they're either accurate or certainly within the ballpark.
Just my best guesses on your Q's 2-4.
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Roma/BNE is a big FIFO route, so presume Roma/SYD is the same maybe.
So you combine FIFO & the public into RPT flights.
Massive gas mining projects out Roma way.
Think this is main reason for Wellcamp airport, which can take 747 freighters when it opens in October. Think that runway is going to be 2870m.
So you combine FIFO & the public into RPT flights.
Massive gas mining projects out Roma way.
Think this is main reason for Wellcamp airport, which can take 747 freighters when it opens in October. Think that runway is going to be 2870m.
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could a Jetgo ERJ get in & out of Moorabbin ?
Saw a Dornier 328 jet land there after flying over from Avalon airshow. Must have been 12 or 13 years ago.
Saw a Dornier 328 jet land there after flying over from Avalon airshow. Must have been 12 or 13 years ago.
In fact according to www.aircraftcompare.com, the 328 Jet has Minimum Take Off Distance 993.65 metres (3,260.00 feet) and Minimum Landing Distance -
789.43 metres (2,590.00 feet) while an ERJ135 has Minimum Take Off Distance - 1,759.92 metres (5,774.00 feet) Minimum Landing Distance - 1,360.02 metres (4,462.00 feet).
Don't have ERSA open in front of me but fairly certain Moorabbin LDA 1190m so the ERJ would be sitting on Lloyd's golf course by now.
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JetGo are on the ball, and has been pointed out, there is a lot of mining development out and around Roma, with more to come. A lot of miners and mining executives live in Sydney, and prefer Sydney over Brisbane. If you were a miner why drive from your mine to Roma, then catch a flight from Roma to Toowoomba, and then drive back to Brisbane from Toowoomba in gridlock? Instead, drive from your mine site into Roma and catch a nice comfy Embraer from Roma direct to Sydney.
Sounds logical
Sounds logical
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Hang on a sec, if the idea is to conduct RPT because there's mining operations at the destination, wouldn't you simply continue to offer a FIFO service.
How does a local pop. of just 7000 now make RPT more viable for the speculated Roma-Sydney?
If you haven't secured FIFO contracts already, why would RPT to the same destination, carrying the same pax be a more robust business model? As soon as mining contracts, so too will the 'RPT' operation. How's that a long term RPT strategy?
If in fact you tried to secure FIFO and failed, well, logic says don't start an RPT operation.
As far as I can summise, new route RPT operations often aim to build/ create markets from what initially appear to be quite marginal customer bases.
Is that Roma-Sydney? Not sure it is.
How does a local pop. of just 7000 now make RPT more viable for the speculated Roma-Sydney?
If you haven't secured FIFO contracts already, why would RPT to the same destination, carrying the same pax be a more robust business model? As soon as mining contracts, so too will the 'RPT' operation. How's that a long term RPT strategy?
If in fact you tried to secure FIFO and failed, well, logic says don't start an RPT operation.
As far as I can summise, new route RPT operations often aim to build/ create markets from what initially appear to be quite marginal customer bases.
Is that Roma-Sydney? Not sure it is.
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There is a massive amount of mining in the region planned for the next decade. The RPT side of things is ramping up and will continue to do so as there will be a huge business traveller demand into the region. Mining executives, planners, material suppliers, pre setup exploratory and mapping work, safety suppliers, bean counters and shhhhhhh Hookers..........
Lots of bums on limited seats. 'If you build it they will come'. Well they're building it and JetGo are going to reap a windfall
Lots of bums on limited seats. 'If you build it they will come'. Well they're building it and JetGo are going to reap a windfall
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surely you can have a FIFO contract with miners flying on RPT services with the general public filling the aircraft.
Maybe the mining co. wants high frequency say 25 miners per flight, so Jetgo can then sell the extra 11 seats for a profit.
Only catch is you can't avoid the security nonscience, that can be avoided with pure FIFO ops.
What about a route like MEL/WOL that was abandoned by QF link 5 or so years ago. Think QF did 2 flights a day every day using an old Dash 8-100.
Maybe the mining co. wants high frequency say 25 miners per flight, so Jetgo can then sell the extra 11 seats for a profit.
Only catch is you can't avoid the security nonscience, that can be avoided with pure FIFO ops.
What about a route like MEL/WOL that was abandoned by QF link 5 or so years ago. Think QF did 2 flights a day every day using an old Dash 8-100.
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Well I wish them good luck if that is the case!
One can only imagine and hope that Jetgo has already got an underwriting for the route or have a contract in place to guarantee a % of seats on a FIFO contract.
An Embraer 135 is an expensive aircraft to operate though lets hope they get to carry all the bags!
Any consulting jobs going Jetgo?
One can only imagine and hope that Jetgo has already got an underwriting for the route or have a contract in place to guarantee a % of seats on a FIFO contract.
An Embraer 135 is an expensive aircraft to operate though lets hope they get to carry all the bags!
Any consulting jobs going Jetgo?
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I'm of the opinion the 'world' may very well be their oyster.
Having gone to the trouble of importing the micro-jet hardware, how many city pairs are there for the taking. You'd have to smack the turbo-prop opposition provided ground & pax services are of a very high quality.
Why not Syd to -
Broken Hill?
Tamworth?
Bundaberg?
Gladstone?
Rockhampton?
Toowoomba?
Essendon?
Others?
Having gone to the trouble of importing the micro-jet hardware, how many city pairs are there for the taking. You'd have to smack the turbo-prop opposition provided ground & pax services are of a very high quality.
Why not Syd to -
Broken Hill?
Tamworth?
Bundaberg?
Gladstone?
Rockhampton?
Toowoomba?
Essendon?
Others?
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Email just popped in from one of my 'associates' in America.
G'day Mate!
Firstly well done mate on getting the sale/leaseback on those 757's you drove a hard bargain which ultimately beat us! you owe me a beer next time your in the US
Anyway - can't you do deals in your hood instead of poaching ours?
Just in Republic will lease x 3 Embraer EMB140LR to Jetgo in Australia. CN: 145522, 145513 & 145535. Y44 seats and will be delivered in August / September and October
Anyway talk to you later
G'day Mate!
Firstly well done mate on getting the sale/leaseback on those 757's you drove a hard bargain which ultimately beat us! you owe me a beer next time your in the US
Anyway - can't you do deals in your hood instead of poaching ours?
Just in Republic will lease x 3 Embraer EMB140LR to Jetgo in Australia. CN: 145522, 145513 & 145535. Y44 seats and will be delivered in August / September and October
Anyway talk to you later