Virgin ATR grounded in Albury
Join Date: Aug 1998
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Yes, both #1 & #2 boys, having personal insight into the recruiting and watching this from a distance for some time now.
Alot of ass covering from a crew who have showed to be out of their depth, who shouldn't have had "it" at speed in areas of turbulence with the cabin not secured (flighties seated & not braking legs)... AND not reported an AIRREP to ATC immediately for following aircraft; PLUS not disclosed such occurrence(s) to the ginger-beers after landing... SO they can adapt their inspections accordingly.
Airmanship is severely lacking today... but that's just my take on the matter.
Happy landings
Alot of ass covering from a crew who have showed to be out of their depth, who shouldn't have had "it" at speed in areas of turbulence with the cabin not secured (flighties seated & not braking legs)... AND not reported an AIRREP to ATC immediately for following aircraft; PLUS not disclosed such occurrence(s) to the ginger-beers after landing... SO they can adapt their inspections accordingly.
Airmanship is severely lacking today... but that's just my take on the matter.
Happy landings
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PLUS not disclosed such occurrence(s) to the ginger-beers after landing... SO they can adapt their inspections accordingly.
Airmanship is severely lacking today..
Airmanship is severely lacking today..
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Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Australia
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Anyone remember Viscounts? We imported two of them, right? two broke up in the air. After the second the then department grounded the type finish, wouldn't even let them be ferried out of the country. Broken up where they stood.
Australian flying conditions and European flying conditions are two different things, it seems.
Australian flying conditions and European flying conditions are two different things, it seems.
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Interesting though, if I recall correctly. One broke up over Botany Bay after penetrating a thunderstorm. That led to the mandatory carriage of Radar for all RPT turbine aircraft.
The other lost a wing on descent in WA due to an incorrectly installed engine mount, or something similar.
Glad to stand corrected.
The other lost a wing on descent in WA due to an incorrectly installed engine mount, or something similar.
Glad to stand corrected.
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The other lost a wing on descent in WA due to an incorrectly installed engine mount,
Dec 1968
From NTSB report of MMA crash - 26 souls perished
"It was determined that the fatigue cracking and primary failure of
the starboard inner wing main spar lower boom occurred at Station 143 which
almost coincides with the outboard edge of No. 3 engine nacelle."
poor buggers didn't have a chance...
From NTSB report of MMA crash - 26 souls perished
"It was determined that the fatigue cracking and primary failure of
the starboard inner wing main spar lower boom occurred at Station 143 which
almost coincides with the outboard edge of No. 3 engine nacelle."
poor buggers didn't have a chance...
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Anyone remember Viscounts? We imported two of them, right?
Had a sad history in Australia
VH-TVA crew training Mangalore 31/10/54 3 fatal
VH-TVC thunderstorm Botany Bay 30/11/61 15 fatal
VH-RMI fire in cabin pressurisation blower #2 engine caused wing failure Winton, Queensland 22/9/66 24 fatal
VH-RMQ wing failed at #3 engine due incorrectly installed bush in the lower spar boom 31/12/68 25 fatal
Join Date: Feb 2007
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Because Virgin employees don't hate their employer.
They don't run off to the media or to the easily misled senator with wild accusations.
They allow due process to be followed and corrections to be implemented as intended.
They don't run off to the media or to the easily misled senator with wild accusations.
They allow due process to be followed and corrections to be implemented as intended.
Join Date: Feb 2007
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No I did not.
I would have performed a thorough inspection using the required stands.
Strong rumour - Wait for the final report where they publish what the CCTV of the inspection shows.
All will be revealed.
I would have performed a thorough inspection using the required stands.
Strong rumour - Wait for the final report where they publish what the CCTV of the inspection shows.
All will be revealed.
Join Date: Feb 2002
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A well deserved pat on the back for Australian engineers; funny, none of the much loved 'off-shore' providers picked it up. Well done I'd say.
Pity those engineers didn't inspect the ATR72 before releasing it for further flight and putting many at risk...
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A well deserved pat on the back for Australian engineers; funny, none of the much loved 'off-shore' providers picked it up. Well done I'd say.
What makes you think it wasn't one of the much loved off-shore providers that picked it up?
Join Date: May 2008
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Looks like it's been repaired to a flyable state. Due to fly out of Aus in the next few days, possibly back to France?
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/VHFVR
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/VHFVR
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As FVR is now 2 years old, I think you'll find that this is the second to last C Check that will be done in Seletar with all future (apart from the next one) heavy maintenance checks to be done in the Southern Hemisphere.
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I'd hate to be the poor bugger who invested the millions to buy that aeroplane.
you have to wonder just what the cost has been to Virgin and the aeroplane's owner.
ever so glad they started off as multi millionaires.
you have to wonder just what the cost has been to Virgin and the aeroplane's owner.
ever so glad they started off as multi millionaires.
