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Virgin ATR grounded in Albury

Old 19th Jun 2014, 10:12
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Yes, both #1 & #2 boys, having personal insight into the recruiting and watching this from a distance for some time now.
Alot of ass covering from a crew who have showed to be out of their depth, who shouldn't have had "it" at speed in areas of turbulence with the cabin not secured (flighties seated & not braking legs)... AND not reported an AIRREP to ATC immediately for following aircraft; PLUS not disclosed such occurrence(s) to the ginger-beers after landing... SO they can adapt their inspections accordingly.
Airmanship is severely lacking today... but that's just my take on the matter.
Happy landings
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Old 20th Jun 2014, 02:38
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PLUS not disclosed such occurrence(s) to the ginger-beers after landing... SO they can adapt their inspections accordingly.
Airmanship is severely lacking today..
Yes, one would have to agree with the latter. During my 54 years of Industry involvement I have noticed a decline in real Stick and Rudder manipulation, particularly over the last 20 to 25 years. Those who take excessive time to go solo, and the like, should be told it is probably in their best interests to find another vocation, rather than the training organisation just continuing to clip their ticket through student loans etc. irrespective of their poor handling skills

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Old 22nd Jun 2014, 05:52
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Anyone remember Viscounts? We imported two of them, right? two broke up in the air. After the second the then department grounded the type finish, wouldn't even let them be ferried out of the country. Broken up where they stood.

Australian flying conditions and European flying conditions are two different things, it seems.
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Old 22nd Jun 2014, 06:33
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Interesting though, if I recall correctly. One broke up over Botany Bay after penetrating a thunderstorm. That led to the mandatory carriage of Radar for all RPT turbine aircraft.

The other lost a wing on descent in WA due to an incorrectly installed engine mount, or something similar.

Glad to stand corrected.
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Old 22nd Jun 2014, 08:29
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The other lost a wing on descent in WA due to an incorrectly installed engine mount,

Dec 1968

From NTSB report of MMA crash - 26 souls perished

"It was determined that the fatigue cracking and primary failure of
the starboard inner wing main spar lower boom occurred at Station 143 which
almost coincides with the outboard edge of No. 3 engine nacelle."

poor buggers didn't have a chance...
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Old 22nd Jun 2014, 08:48
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Anyone remember Viscounts? We imported two of them, right?
Lots more than two. 28 at least.
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Old 22nd Jun 2014, 10:11
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Oops... twenty two I meant to say. However it was a long time ago and you are probably right.
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Old 23rd Jun 2014, 01:32
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Anyone remember Viscounts? We imported two of them, right?
Australia operated a total of 27 (includes 2 RAAF). All removed from service by 1970.

Had a sad history in Australia

VH-TVA crew training Mangalore 31/10/54 3 fatal
VH-TVC thunderstorm Botany Bay 30/11/61 15 fatal
VH-RMI fire in cabin pressurisation blower #2 engine caused wing failure Winton, Queensland 22/9/66 24 fatal
VH-RMQ wing failed at #3 engine due incorrectly installed bush in the lower spar boom 31/12/68 25 fatal
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Old 26th Jun 2014, 10:10
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Why is it if this happened to Qlink, QF or JQ the media would go to town and there would probably be some governmental enquiry?????

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Old 26th Jun 2014, 15:40
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Because Virgin employees don't hate their employer.

They don't run off to the media or to the easily misled senator with wild accusations.

They allow due process to be followed and corrections to be implemented as intended.
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Old 26th Jun 2014, 20:54
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Flying passengers around in a wreck for five days.And only bs in this thread.
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Old 27th Jun 2014, 11:11
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Just as a matter of interest, did you inspect the aircraft in the first instance?
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Old 27th Jun 2014, 22:29
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No I did not.

I would have performed a thorough inspection using the required stands.

Strong rumour - Wait for the final report where they publish what the CCTV of the inspection shows.

All will be revealed.
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Old 29th Jun 2014, 05:27
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A well deserved pat on the back for Australian engineers; funny, none of the much loved 'off-shore' providers picked it up. Well done I'd say.

Pity those engineers didn't inspect the ATR72 before releasing it for further flight and putting many at risk...
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Old 30th Jun 2014, 09:56
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A well deserved pat on the back for Australian engineers; funny, none of the much loved 'off-shore' providers picked it up. Well done I'd say.

What makes you think it wasn't one of the much loved off-shore providers that picked it up?
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Old 30th Jun 2014, 18:25
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O, FFS - Post removed – sense of humour removed – interest removed.

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Old 25th Nov 2014, 11:35
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Looks like it's been repaired to a flyable state. Due to fly out of Aus in the next few days, possibly back to France?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/VHFVR
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Old 25th Nov 2014, 11:41
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Probably to Seletar where all maintenance for the VARA ATRs is occuring
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Old 28th Nov 2014, 23:52
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As FVR is now 2 years old, I think you'll find that this is the second to last C Check that will be done in Seletar with all future (apart from the next one) heavy maintenance checks to be done in the Southern Hemisphere.
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Old 1st Dec 2014, 10:31
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I'd hate to be the poor bugger who invested the millions to buy that aeroplane.
you have to wonder just what the cost has been to Virgin and the aeroplane's owner.

ever so glad they started off as multi millionaires.
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