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haughtney1 - I tend to work on the principal of if I need to know, I'll ask. For deciding where in the sequence you go the FLOW would probably use your KEELS/JULIM est from CPDLC/ADS-C. If you don't get a feeder fix time then it doesn't matter (above A100), and if you do get a feeder fix time it only matters if there is someone close in front or behind on the same track/STAR.
Since the 777 has a shallower descent profile (not A330 shallow admittedly) at 300k you would probably stay comfortably behind a domestic 737 doing 280k anyway.
As you probably know PH is quite different to ML. For various reasons we can issue FF much further out, so you will always get a time. Anything you can't lose will be absorbed with a vector or hold. Since we have a lot more room prior to TOD, sometimes its easier to vector for longer delays (even 10 min +) rather than hold.
Since the 777 has a shallower descent profile (not A330 shallow admittedly) at 300k you would probably stay comfortably behind a domestic 737 doing 280k anyway.
As you probably know PH is quite different to ML. For various reasons we can issue FF much further out, so you will always get a time. Anything you can't lose will be absorbed with a vector or hold. Since we have a lot more room prior to TOD, sometimes its easier to vector for longer delays (even 10 min +) rather than hold.
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A little late to the show here...can I ask which version and capabilities of the Metron system?
I have been involved in some of the later versions, and in some proposed modifications, so I am curious which version you all are talking about.
I have been involved in some of the later versions, and in some proposed modifications, so I am curious which version you all are talking about.
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Haughtney, I wouldn't expect any less from the 777
I think most are doing around 280kts above 10? If you haven't received any sequencing ask them for 300kts!
I think most are doing around 280kts above 10? If you haven't received any sequencing ask them for 300kts!
.84/310 is much more sensible in my world view 
NB, thanks for that, pretty much as I suspected, but was afraid to ask haha (PER now being my semi-home base, its good to act like I know what I'm doing)
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Originally Posted by LapSap
[...]YOU tell IT, in terms of arrival acceptance rate at the time you predict that runway mode will occur and it will show you the effect on CTOTs.
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underfire- no idea sorry. Its in the NOC in CB and at FLOW positions (I think), so I've never seen it, or to be fair, need to. ASA has always just called it METRON, which is the company name rather than the program?
If you've been slowed down, then sped up it also could mean things have gone better than expected. Approach are aiming for around 5nm gaps over the fence. But if there are no departures they will let them close up to 3 or 4nm. Now a gap has opened up in front of you. It's a disadvantage of early sequencing, and would only get worse if you were given a fix time further away.
Work is being done to improve flow into Australian airports, with sequencing tools like 'point merge' and the 'trombone' being looked at to achieve 'pack and gap' techniques. But these systems only work with significant built in pressure often meaning level (or close to it) segments at low altitudes.
Merton is better than nothing and is always improving
Work is being done to improve flow into Australian airports, with sequencing tools like 'point merge' and the 'trombone' being looked at to achieve 'pack and gap' techniques. But these systems only work with significant built in pressure often meaning level (or close to it) segments at low altitudes.
Merton is better than nothing and is always improving
Ya gotta love Brisvegas. Last night around 9pm inbound from 'Mexico' we had to lose 10 mins so a slow down & a quick whip around Brissy's other 'airport' & then a slow down even more within 30 miles all to see NO traffic anywhere within cooey of us on a clear lovely night with only a couple of machines slipping away down the Rwy when we joined the LS. That's it.......really I know we dumb assed drivers don't have the big piccy but we could see 4ever & not a blinking light anywhere to the horizon that was gunna be the reason/s for our delay. And all this with a +12 min COBT on Sched, yep the system works real well!And btw for you rocket scientists out there when we left there was no weather issues, they where using 01 on the ATIS & when we arrived a couple of hrs latter still no weather issues & still using 01 so no rwy change or no inbound traffic for that matter upon arrival!
Come on 'JR' my good buddy enlighten me please as to yr brethren's way of thinking 'up there'!
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And btw for you rocket scientists out there when we left there was no weather issues, they where using 01 on the ATIS & when we arrived a couple of hrs latter still no weather issues & still using 01 so no rwy change or no inbound traffic for that matter upon arrival!Come on 'JR' my good buddy enlighten me please as to yr brethren's way of thinking 'up there'!
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Have a look on web trak and find out for yourself
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You've worked it out Wal, ATC don't actually delay you for traffic reasons, it's all for ATC amusement..
Hempy might have some explaining to do...
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You've worked it out Wal, ATC don't actually delay you for traffic reasons, it's all for ATC amusement..
"It more than amusement, the pot is now quite large, and its BNs first decent chance to win since we let DN into the comp. "
Can anyone play? Let me know and I'll take enough fuel so the scores can REALLY add up!
Do you lose points for a min fuel PAN? Extra points? Whichever, it sounds like fun for the whole crew.
You've worked it out Wal, ATC don't actually delay you for traffic reasons, it's all for ATC amusement..
"It more than amusement, the pot is now quite large, and its BNs first decent chance to win since we let DN into the comp. "
Can anyone play? Let me know and I'll take enough fuel so the scores can REALLY add up!
Do you lose points for a min fuel PAN? Extra points? Whichever, it sounds like fun for the whole crew.
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Australo,
Lose points for a PAN fuel call?? Are you kidding???? Thats a gold mine!! Now theres a plausible reason to stack em up for hours!!!!!!
And no, sorry, you cant. But if you want to PM me we could probably organise a little something on the side
Lose points for a PAN fuel call?? Are you kidding???? Thats a gold mine!! Now theres a plausible reason to stack em up for hours!!!!!!
And no, sorry, you cant. But if you want to PM me we could probably organise a little something on the side
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Australopithecus -do you invite fish to a fishing competition?
Anyway, this isn't some dodgy back-FIR game, under IFACTA rules of 5 'plane hold 'em Min Fuel equals fold. The only variations in use are the "tabloid variation" (no more than 4 thronomeister equipped) and the Australian Delay Scoring Benchmark (biz jets are wild).
Anyway, this isn't some dodgy back-FIR game, under IFACTA rules of 5 'plane hold 'em Min Fuel equals fold. The only variations in use are the "tabloid variation" (no more than 4 thronomeister equipped) and the Australian Delay Scoring Benchmark (biz jets are wild).
