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Old 14th Feb 2014, 05:33
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Jetstar - What Gives ??

Folks,
I note that Qantas ( the real one) and Virgin have cancelled flights to Bali, due the major volcanic event --- but the last Jetstar press release/statement I saw on SMH news says that they have not cancelled any flights.
Maybe Jetstar does not subscribe to the Qantas volcanic ash policy/warning system.
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Old 14th Feb 2014, 05:41
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Plenty of operational spares around when things go bang!
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Old 14th Feb 2014, 05:56
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They should because don't they take advice from the meetings convened in the qf war room?, all subscription fees paid of course, just like cobham and qlink.
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I didn't think QANTAS flew to Bali... hasn't for a long time. (Like most places)
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Seems reasonable...

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Old 14th Feb 2014, 09:19
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Qantas doesn't fly to Bali and Jetstar doesn't fly to Jakarta.

Ash nowhere near Bali according to Darwin VAAC...
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Old 14th Feb 2014, 11:06
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Jetstar flies into Volcanic Ash Cloud

Bugger!

Volcano eruption cancels Bali, Phuket flights and closes Indonesian airports


Thankfully it all turned out ok. Passenger reckoned it smelled slightly sweet; sounds more pleasant than the smell that may well have been coming from the cockpit...
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Expect?

Well what do you expect when on of their sims has EXACTLY the same scenario, and our crew was apparently the first to say "I'm not going into actual volcanic ash."? Sheer bloody madness to launch with that in the way. 200 hour wannabes in ops might have had something to do with it. Stay alive, remember the 3 'B's, Beefsteak, Beer, Babes. If where you're heading ain't got them 3 - then don't go.
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I'll have what Ned's having.....
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Old 14th Feb 2014, 12:01
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Gunung Kelud in east Java erupted last night at 22:50 local time causing volcanic ash to many areas of East Java. Photos below are from Jogjakarta and Surabaya airports which were closed today.



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Old 14th Feb 2014, 13:28
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All VA flights that were airborne were instructed to return to DEP Port.
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Old 14th Feb 2014, 14:21
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This mistake is unforgivable and show pilots behaviours. How come pilots nowadays in 2014 can still fly in volcanic ash clouds ??
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Old 14th Feb 2014, 14:31
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I didn't think QANTAS flew to Bali.
Folks,
It turns out the QF flights were to/from Djakarta.
And pots of re-routing.
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Old 14th Feb 2014, 20:54
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On ... on ...

From this morning's ABC news

Indonesia's Mt Kelud volcano erupts: Tens of thousands flee, airports closed - Australia Network News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

"One woman says she and her partner were on their way to Singapore to go on a cruise.

"We were so excited, being Valentine's Day... everything was great, having a few drinks on the plane, and then all of a sudden Adam's looked out of the window and said 'we're doing a 360'," she said."
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Old 14th Feb 2014, 22:00
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Some of you guys ASSUME that the pilots even knew of the existence of the ash cloud. Were warnings in place at preflight, was the company providing a flight following service, was ATC providing warnings?
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I'm not an apologist for Jetstar, but when was the warning issued?

If the volcano erupted overnight and the aircraft (apparently) hit the cloud at 5am local, was the VAAC warning issued? And 30 mins out from WIII is a bit hard to turn back to Oz from...
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I don't know how else to put it but some tossers out there really are so full of sh1t

Travel Alerts | Jetstar to the volcanic ash from the eruption of Mount Kelud in Java, the following Jetstar Asia/ Valuair flights on 14 and 15 February have been affected

Last Updated: 14/02/2014 9:20 PM

Cancelled flights:
- Valuair VF247 from Singapore to Surabaya scheduled to depart at 1140 on 14 February 2014
- Valuair VF248 from Surabaya to Singapore scheduled to depart at 1350 on 14 February 2014
- Valuair VF247 from Singapore to Surabaya scheduled to depart at 1140 on 15 February 2014
- Valuair VF248 from Surabaya to Singapore scheduled to depart at 1350 on 15 February 2014
- Jetstar 3K131 from Singapore to Perth scheduled to depart at 1650 on 14 February 2014
- Jetstar 3K132 from Perth to Singapore scheduled to depart at 2310 on 14 February 2014
- Jetstar 3K133 from Singapore to Perth scheduled to depart at 0220 on 15 February 2014
- Jetstar 3K134 from Perth to Singapore scheduled to depart at 0825 on 15 February 2014

Rescheduled flights:
- Jetstar 3K134 from Perth to Singapore scheduled to depart at 0825 on 14 February 2014 has been rescheduled to depart at 0030 on 15 February 2014

Jetstar is monitoring the situation closely and will contact affected passengers with alternative options.
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Old 14th Feb 2014, 23:08
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1/ Surabaya closed since yesterday ( we have a 777 stuck there presumably covered in ash and a crew in the hotel staying away from the Bar!!)
2/ Bali operating as normal ( with delays and some rescheduling ) with most Airlines except DJ
3/ Jakarta operating as normal ( with delays and rescheduling ) with most Airlines except QF.
4/ Flights being re-routed North of Bali Surabaya to/from Aus

Bali does seem an overkill at face value although the point at which DJ turned their flights around we don't know the info they had at the time.

Watching Flight Radar 24 over the last 24 hours has shown what's flying where.

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Old 14th Feb 2014, 23:11
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Latest sigmet 142247UTC states cloud observed from surface to FL650 and is approx 950NM by 850NM.
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Old 14th Feb 2014, 23:15
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VAAC Archives

Just looked back through the VAAC archives.

5am (apparent arrival time of the JQ flight) WIII is 2200UTC.

The warning at 1752 said ash to FL 450 within 50nm W. Not extending over WIII within the forecast period.

The warning at 2048 said ash to FL450, extending west to be over WIII at around 0400. (Possibly impacting on J curve aussie ports to WIII at 0300).

The warning at 2136 said ash to FL450 240nm W. Extending over WIII at 0315.
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