CRASH TOLL/PAE Boeing 737F HONIARA
It looks like the righthand main collapsed. Hard landing or just a matter of the gear giving way?
Not a downlock failure.
All OK. Should be off the runway shortly.
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Yes per the photos failed due to going sideways.... scrubbed the tire out which blew then ripped the gear out due side load ?????
Did the forward gear trunion shear or did it pull through the spar attachment. The later would be a big issue to repair.
Why are the flaps at 5 for landing...............
Did the forward gear trunion shear or did it pull through the spar attachment. The later would be a big issue to repair.
Why are the flaps at 5 for landing...............
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My 2 bobs...
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Airwork owned and operated - Leased to Toll Priory
Maintained under the NZCAA Airwork system of maintenance.
Looks like Aircraft has landed and during the rollout and braking phase the MLG has failed. Flap config is probably due to the wing being cleaned up after landing. IE: T/E flaps are almost full up as the L/E won't go to full up until the T/E has.
Thrust reverser does look deployed on #2 Eng, but could have been pulled open as the engine was dragged along the Tarmac. The Flat RH nose wheels is actually the I/B wheel of the LH MLG if you look at the pic closer.
Cowboy operation I say... Bit of egg on there faces now. If I were a betting man I don't think this bird will be flying again.
Aircraft ZK-TLC
Airwork owned and operated - Leased to Toll Priory
Maintained under the NZCAA Airwork system of maintenance.
Looks like Aircraft has landed and during the rollout and braking phase the MLG has failed. Flap config is probably due to the wing being cleaned up after landing. IE: T/E flaps are almost full up as the L/E won't go to full up until the T/E has.
Thrust reverser does look deployed on #2 Eng, but could have been pulled open as the engine was dragged along the Tarmac. The Flat RH nose wheels is actually the I/B wheel of the LH MLG if you look at the pic closer.
Cowboy operation I say... Bit of egg on there faces now. If I were a betting man I don't think this bird will be flying again.
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I received a few P.Ms seems that its NZ rego allows Toll to operate Australia domestic under NZCAA away from the CASA who the PMs say are more strict for Australia domestic.
That sounds real crazy like if the Canadians could come fly domestic in USA and Vice versa WTF...............
Seems luck ran out today if they are what you say, wonder if the gear has records back to berth ??
BTW,did a bit of googling seven planes ALL different 733F,734F,737P,734P from all over the place no way would the FEDS (FAA) let you run on 121 cert so many variables/types and pax with such a small fleet .................Must have a friendly CAA inspector or two
I received a few P.Ms seems that its NZ rego allows Toll to operate Australia domestic under NZCAA away from the CASA who the PMs say are more strict for Australia domestic.
That sounds real crazy like if the Canadians could come fly domestic in USA and Vice versa WTF...............
Seems luck ran out today if they are what you say, wonder if the gear has records back to berth ??
BTW,did a bit of googling seven planes ALL different 733F,734F,737P,734P from all over the place no way would the FEDS (FAA) let you run on 121 cert so many variables/types and pax with such a small fleet .................Must have a friendly CAA inspector or two
Most operators do not retract flaps on the runway. Maybe the should read "most operators in this region". If you were going to configure flaps for an evacuation in a pax plane you would select flaps 40 (more flaps than the typical 30, eg)
I do not know what procedures are in place for freighters in a non-normal landing. If it was me, I would select 40 in case the fwd exits were blocked and I wanted to preserve my fine pink young self with minimal souvenir scars.
That said, the aircraft is on the rwy, the crew are apparently unscathed, the world is rid of another ancient -300. What's not to like?
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I do not know what procedures are in place for freighters in a non-normal landing. If it was me, I would select 40 in case the fwd exits were blocked and I wanted to preserve my fine pink young self with minimal souvenir scars.
That said, the aircraft is on the rwy, the crew are apparently unscathed, the world is rid of another ancient -300. What's not to like?
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That sounds real crazy like if the Canadians could come fly domestic in USA and Vice versa WTF...............
NZ/AU is operated as an single aviation market, any NZ/AU carrier can operate in either country.
Just like Virgin Australia, 10x of the 738s are ZK- registered, from time to time they will end up on AU domestici when needed.
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Why on earth is that the case ? I had a quick look the regs in both countries are completely different.seems you cannot just walk in and swap licenses etc.
Why not just let anyone from anywhere cat1 just fly in either place ?? Looks like they try to follow Europe sharing things but botched it up ...still need passport etc pilot and mechanics not recognized .
I see Jetstar flying in NZ, there a big mob Airwork seems to have the whole 737 fleet in Australia.
Anyway leave it you guys down there to fly in each others country domestic will NEVER happen in North America the big carrier would stop it your regulators seem to know everything ???
Why not just let anyone from anywhere cat1 just fly in either place ?? Looks like they try to follow Europe sharing things but botched it up ...still need passport etc pilot and mechanics not recognized .
I see Jetstar flying in NZ, there a big mob Airwork seems to have the whole 737 fleet in Australia.
Anyway leave it you guys down there to fly in each others country domestic will NEVER happen in North America the big carrier would stop it your regulators seem to know everything ???
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Why on earth is that the case ? I had a quick look the regs in both countries are completely different.seems you cannot just walk in and swap licenses etc.
Why not just let anyone from anywhere cat1 just fly in either place ?? Looks like they try to follow Europe sharing things but botched it up ...still need passport etc pilot and mechanics not recognized .
Why not just let anyone from anywhere cat1 just fly in either place ?? Looks like they try to follow Europe sharing things but botched it up ...still need passport etc pilot and mechanics not recognized .
Sad to see people already calling it a 'Cowboy operation', quite the opposite when you have the facts. Most of the Engineers are ex-Ansett, many of the pilots have retired from Legacy Airlines and at any given time the average hours on the flight deck are over 40,000. We fly NDB approaches and circle off them at night in remote Pacific locations in all kinds of weather flying a fleet where not one aircraft is the same configuration. I've never worked with a more professional and capable bunch of people. We also don't call ourselves 'drivers' we call ourselves pilots.
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OK BJ,
You may be the top gun pilots, but suggest you stop pulling flap up on the roll and taking the hydraulic pressure from the gear if that was the case, GPS will keep you away from the hills, ADF will take you to the hills one dark thunderstorm night. You won't beat the law of averages forever as we have seen in Honiara.
Small Freighters at night in Pacific remote areas ??? APA are still using 727LRs across the Pacific from Guam island hop to Hawaii, built tough and take you home. There is nothing wrong with the B737-300F efficient fuel, two crew etc but applied in remote Pacific, max weights at night alternates hours over water, if one found themselves single engine one dark night with bad weather not my idea of fun. Its not a 767/777 category the 737-300 is a domestic aircraft.
You may be the top gun pilots, but suggest you stop pulling flap up on the roll and taking the hydraulic pressure from the gear if that was the case, GPS will keep you away from the hills, ADF will take you to the hills one dark thunderstorm night. You won't beat the law of averages forever as we have seen in Honiara.
Small Freighters at night in Pacific remote areas ??? APA are still using 727LRs across the Pacific from Guam island hop to Hawaii, built tough and take you home. There is nothing wrong with the B737-300F efficient fuel, two crew etc but applied in remote Pacific, max weights at night alternates hours over water, if one found themselves single engine one dark night with bad weather not my idea of fun. Its not a 767/777 category the 737-300 is a domestic aircraft.
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Solomon Star newspaper
An eye witness Joseph Abana told the Solomon Star that he was at the eastern end of the airport when the incident occurred.
Abana claimed the aircraft was hit by a strong wind to its right side when it was about to land.
“When it landed its tyres appears to have collapsed so it slides on its right side till it stops near the domestic terminal.
“Its right wing also crashed to the ground and as a result damaged its turbine engine.”
He said it took some few minutes before the fire service responded and rushed to the scene.
“Fortunately the crash did not ignite fire and none of the three crews on board were injured.”
Mr Abana also called on the aviation fire service to pull up their socks and to be on alert every time.
Abana claimed the aircraft was hit by a strong wind to its right side when it was about to land.
“When it landed its tyres appears to have collapsed so it slides on its right side till it stops near the domestic terminal.
“Its right wing also crashed to the ground and as a result damaged its turbine engine.”
He said it took some few minutes before the fire service responded and rushed to the scene.
“Fortunately the crash did not ignite fire and none of the three crews on board were injured.”
Mr Abana also called on the aviation fire service to pull up their socks and to be on alert every time.
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For whom the bell TOLL's
Most of the Engineers are ex-Ansett, many of the pilots have retired from Legacy Airlines and at any given time the average hours on the flight deck are over 40,000.
I have nothing personal against TOlL as there are good pilots there, and yes I know them (the pilots I know don't even mind being called "drivers") but to imply that they perhaps set the bar when it comes to standards and experience on 737's is laughable and lamentable.
Interesting how 'safety oversight' has already been mentioned. Here is a fact, CASA has been told for years that there is not enough oversight being done on freight operators. But the response has always been 'passenger oversight is the greater risk' so we must apply our resources there (even though they chase lone Chopper pilots like Quadrio and expend resources and millions on that). For many years in Australia freight operators have operated some pretty large tin such as 737, 146, 727 and others, all of which could make an ugly mess if they landed in your neighbourhood, yet they have received minimal baseline oversight.
Because TOLL 737's are not VH registered and they sit on the NZ register they receive even less to nil oversight from CASA, this into opinion creates a greater potential risk.
CASA have to ask the CAA if they can conduct surveillance or any other activity in relation to TOLL's 737's. (Incidentally the Metro's and ATR's are on the Aus register so they are surveilled and audited).
Make no mistake, these 737's have been operating in, out and around Australia for a number of years with virtually free reign with almost nil Australian CASA oversight. Then again, is that really surprising?
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That is 40,000 hours on the flight-deck, not individually, for the brain-dead.