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He must be winding us up Ken.
The boyfriend can't get staff travel from his girlfriends mother (it would have to be his mother), and if the girlfriend is over 26, she won't get it either.
He may tell his step father that he is swanning around in Business class, and may very well be, but it has nothing to do with his girlfriends mum who works for catering.
The boyfriend can't get staff travel from his girlfriends mother (it would have to be his mother), and if the girlfriend is over 26, she won't get it either.
He may tell his step father that he is swanning around in Business class, and may very well be, but it has nothing to do with his girlfriends mum who works for catering.
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It's gospel. I don't know the rules, so perhaps the rules have been bent. Girlfriend is 25. But I don't see why my step-son is entitled to QF staff travel when a Cobham pilot who flies for Qlink is not.. is that what you Cobham chaps are saying?
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Not bent......BROKEN!
There is always someone willing to take that risk to win a few brownie points or bragging rights on staff travel and they DO get found out.
Follow the rules ....no problem.
Dress correctly and smile nicely at the right time and you MIGHT get an upgrade or ON when others might not get on.
NEVER tell other pax that you get this benefit.
Don't complain when you get offloaded mid trip and it costs you heaps until you get back on.
Back to the thread perhaps?.......
There is always someone willing to take that risk to win a few brownie points or bragging rights on staff travel and they DO get found out.
Follow the rules ....no problem.
Dress correctly and smile nicely at the right time and you MIGHT get an upgrade or ON when others might not get on.
NEVER tell other pax that you get this benefit.
Don't complain when you get offloaded mid trip and it costs you heaps until you get back on.
Back to the thread perhaps?.......
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Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story!
Originally Posted by empire4
Cobham 717 Engineer $105K, QF 737 Engineer $130+
enough said.
enough said.
Enough said.
While it's inconvenient to some people, let's get the FACTS correct, unless of course you have a problem with the FACTS distorting your FICTION ?
Sources, FWA
Cobham
http://www.fwc.gov.au/documents/agre...a/AE899048.pdf
Qantas
http://www.fwc.gov.au/awards/tracee/...f/AG891046.pdf
A Cobham B717 Mechanical (Dual) Engineer earns (base rate, no overtime, all shift penalties included) $103,554 + ($1,009.26 * 2 ) = $105,572 pa
Note, Cobham staff will receive a 4% pay rise on 01/07/14, their new rate will then be $109,795 pa
A Qantas B737 Mechanical (Engine / Airframe) earns $1,385.51 per week (base rate, no overtime, no shift penalties included)
Allowing an average of 40% roster-averaged penalties,
($1,385.51 + 40%) * 52 = $100,865 pa
Note, Qantas employees received a 3% pay rise on 01/01/14, included in the above figures.
Sorry if these FACTS do not match your FICTION.
Are your others FICTIONS as accurate as these FACTS?
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Spanner twister, I'd love for you to tell me how many QF LAMEs are Level 5……
I'll make a guess and say most blokes are on level 10-12. $1842.24 + 40% x 52 = $134,115 pa + all the other little add ons. Then you have to factor in all the other big dogs on higher levels. Not to mention last in first out for CR. +++ all the other bolt on payments for everything else under the sun. You are dreaming.
This is exactly the problem. Yeah you're right in a world of all level 5 LAMEs QF would be cheaper, but we simply don't live in that world.
But hey, its your world. believe what you like.
I'll make a guess and say most blokes are on level 10-12. $1842.24 + 40% x 52 = $134,115 pa + all the other little add ons. Then you have to factor in all the other big dogs on higher levels. Not to mention last in first out for CR. +++ all the other bolt on payments for everything else under the sun. You are dreaming.
This is exactly the problem. Yeah you're right in a world of all level 5 LAMEs QF would be cheaper, but we simply don't live in that world.
But hey, its your world. believe what you like.
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I honestly have no idea, do you ?
I was trying, as imperfect as the system is, to compare apples with apples, that is, I selected the bottom-rung-single-licenced LAME from both companies.
Qantas employees, as you are well aware, gain levels for both additional licences and (blocks of four, subject to caps) years of service. There are an awful lot of "young" LAMEs around who are single-licenced and less than, say eight, years of service who will likely never see a double-digit level!
Furthermore. you cannot possible complain that a Qantas LAME with two or three types gets paid more than a LAME at any other company with just a single licence ?
Yes, Qantas engineers do get bolt-on payments for additional skills, responsibilities etc.
It's all detailed in the award I linked to, no surprises at all.
Oh, BTW, Cobham LAMEs also get similar bolt-on payments, their's are listed in the Cobham award linked to.
Thank you, don't mind if I do.
If you really want to nit-pick why don't you point out that Qantas LAMEs work an "average" of 38 hours / week, Cobham LAMEs an "average" of 35 hours / week.
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Again, "The massive pay difference" between Cobham cleaners and Qantas Check-Captains, conclusively proving that all Qantas staff are grossly overpaid, is a result of ignorance, selective quoting, and, dare I say it, the "occasional" bit of deliberate mis-information.
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I was trying, as imperfect as the system is, to compare apples with apples, that is, I selected the bottom-rung-single-licenced LAME from both companies.
Qantas employees, as you are well aware, gain levels for both additional licences and (blocks of four, subject to caps) years of service. There are an awful lot of "young" LAMEs around who are single-licenced and less than, say eight, years of service who will likely never see a double-digit level!
Furthermore. you cannot possible complain that a Qantas LAME with two or three types gets paid more than a LAME at any other company with just a single licence ?
Yes, Qantas engineers do get bolt-on payments for additional skills, responsibilities etc.
It's all detailed in the award I linked to, no surprises at all.
Oh, BTW, Cobham LAMEs also get similar bolt-on payments, their's are listed in the Cobham award linked to.
Thank you, don't mind if I do.
If you really want to nit-pick why don't you point out that Qantas LAMEs work an "average" of 38 hours / week, Cobham LAMEs an "average" of 35 hours / week.
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Employees are required to work 35 ordinary hours a week or an average of 35 hours a week over a period up to but not exceeding 52 weeks.
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Cobham 717 Captain pay $160K, QF 737 Captain pay $230K
So let me get this straight,
A Cobham 717 in the new config 12 business, 98 economy, total 110 pax
vs
A Qantas 737-800 12 business, 156 economy, total 168 pax.
As opposed to the flight crew on Cobham where a skipper earns $160k
vs
at Qantas where a Skipper earns $230K.
So let me get this straight,
A Cobham 717 in the new config 12 business, 98 economy, total 110 pax
vs
A Qantas 737-800 12 business, 156 economy, total 168 pax.
As opposed to the flight crew on Cobham where a skipper earns $160k
vs
at Qantas where a Skipper earns $230K.
I would have thought it would be more appropriate to aspire to increase salaries and conditions to a greater level than to be part of the downward spiral that lines managements pockets while taking food off our families tables.
Maybe it's just me that thinks this.
I would have thought it would be more appropriate to aspire to increase salaries and conditions to a greater level
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Really????
The Baron said:
Wow, that engine must have some excess thrust at 50C to generate 3.5% net OEI gradient 
Virgin's Embraers don't have any payload limits out of Canberra either.
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Cobham 717 Captain pay $160K, QF 737 Captain pay $230K
So let me get this straight,
A Cobham 717 in the new config 12 business, 98 economy, total 110 pax
vs
A Qantas 737-800 12 business, 156 economy, total 168 pax.
As opposed to the flight crew on Cobham where a skipper earns $160k
vs
at Qantas where a Skipper earns $230K.
If my math is correct that's about a 4% advantage to the Qantas skipper per seat is it not??
So let me get this straight,
A Cobham 717 in the new config 12 business, 98 economy, total 110 pax
vs
A Qantas 737-800 12 business, 156 economy, total 168 pax.
As opposed to the flight crew on Cobham where a skipper earns $160k
vs
at Qantas where a Skipper earns $230K.
If my math is correct that's about a 4% advantage to the Qantas skipper per seat is it not??
You are right about pay...we should all just take maybe $5.00 per hour per passenger. Maybe as low as $3.00 each. Reckon the punters would go for that?
Austral,
Interesting point. I will take your $3.
Consider the numbers on a Qf 737 with say 160 punters on board. FO pay around $170/hour.
Combined with the capt rate. $3/ passenger might cover the lot!
And if each seat was sold at about $80 for a flight between syd-mel, you can see why Joyce would target pilot pay rates!
Interesting point. I will take your $3.
Consider the numbers on a Qf 737 with say 160 punters on board. FO pay around $170/hour.
Combined with the capt rate. $3/ passenger might cover the lot!
And if each seat was sold at about $80 for a flight between syd-mel, you can see why Joyce would target pilot pay rates!
That was $3.00 each
There is an equation somewhere that quantifies our pay on a per passenger basis, but no one really wants to consider the ramifications, and there would be hurdles to overcome in spreading the risk of low loads to the staff. On the other hand, it would be a self-regulating mechanism to constrain costs in traffic lulls.
The upside of course is that flying during school holidays would go very senior!
And consider the effect on your pay for ferry flights and stupid scheduling.
There is an equation somewhere that quantifies our pay on a per passenger basis, but no one really wants to consider the ramifications, and there would be hurdles to overcome in spreading the risk of low loads to the staff. On the other hand, it would be a self-regulating mechanism to constrain costs in traffic lulls.
The upside of course is that flying during school holidays would go very senior!
And consider the effect on your pay for ferry flights and stupid scheduling.
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There is an equation somewhere that quantifies our pay on a per passenger basis, but no one really wants to consider the ramifications, and there would be hurdles to overcome in spreading the risk of low loads to the staff. On the other hand, it would be a self-regulating mechanism to constrain costs in traffic lulls.
There again,seeing as you have raised this, I'd be pleased if you can post this equation.