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MERGED: Alan's still not happy......

Old 31st Jan 2014, 10:00
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That shows from his eloquent response...which was basically you are a bunch of liars and I am going to call you out.

Not much will happen because the rot comes from the top but one day this will all tumble down and people like him will be important. Meanwhile I am waiting for another Rockpool lunch and the spin machine to kick into gear for the predictable official line from these tossers.
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Old 31st Jan 2014, 22:10
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Like so many other former Qantas employees, Tony Webber was an intelligent person with some significant understanding of why Qantas had been a successful airline.

The current Qantas management could not afford someone who may dispute the path chosen by the Joyce/Clifford dictators.

I would argue there are no managers left at Qantas with previous experience at genuinely successful airlines (including Qantas when it was), as that is considered irrelevant to the current executive.
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THE federal government's reluctance to subsidise jobs and industries is a smokescreen for cuts to wages and conditions, the Australian Council of Trade Unions says.
Employment Minister Eric Abetz defended the government's decision to leave SPC to its own devices with the backing of parent company CCA.

"What they need to do is have a look at some of their cost structures and help themselves," Senator Abetz told the ABC. He maintained that some conditions in the SPC enterprise agreement are "over-generous" and dated and should be addressed. "At the end of the day, that is the company's responsibility, the unions' and the workers' responsibility to come together to make sure that this enterprise can succeed," he said.

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Without some lateral thinking and flexibility all round, really canít see the long run outcome at Qantas being substantially different.

And what a national disgrace that would be.

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Old 2nd Feb 2014, 02:56
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Coaliton defends taxpayer funding of Cadbury

Letís not be so quick to give up on Government intervention.

Employment Minister Eric Abetz has defended the Coalition's decision to provide chocolate company Cadbury with $16 million of taxpayer's money in the wake of its rejection of SPC Ardmona's bid for government assistance, arguing the Cadbury funds will be good for regional tourism in Tasmania.
Read more: Aid and Abetz: Coaliton defends taxpayer funding of Cadbury

If both sides of the House would put Qantas and Australia ahead of politics, we would all be better off.
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Old 2nd Feb 2014, 03:02
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Hey WorthWhat,
There is an State Election in Tasmania in March, mind you that did not help Holden as South Australia has an Election in March as well. Go Figure, the results will be interesting as to how Aussies feel about the Coalition.
National Interest ahead of Politics, you are joking aren't you?
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Old 2nd Feb 2014, 03:32
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Low demand forces A380 flight cancellations
Qantas is cancelling three Airbus A380 superjmbo return services on its Melbourne-Dubai-London routes over the next two months because of slow demand. The affected flights are QF9 and QF10 on February 17, March 11 and March 24. "These cancellations represent 1.5% of our total services to London in February and just over 3% in March," a spokesman said. Qantas axed Singapore as its transit hub to Europe last year and began flying to London from Melbourne and Sydney via Dubai as part of its alliance with Emirates.
Carry On: Extra comfort to Hawaii, Qantas cancels A380s, superjumbos to India and more - Airline Industry Today
bit by bit more is revealed as already predicted on this thread way back....

All sounded so good back when "Alan was happy" announcing the EK/QF tie up ....

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Old 2nd Feb 2014, 04:40
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If the qF 9/10 service is eventually stopped is a tacit admission that the link up with Emirates has failed. Cancelling more routes is hardly "turning around" longhaul internationa especially while it continues to have to absorb costs such as the Aoc split and subsidising Jet* (still).
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Old 2nd Feb 2014, 05:27
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I wouldn't be reading too much into the cancellations - VAI is doing it tough this time of year as well. From tomorrow, there will be two B777s out of service for a week and at least one out for the next few weeks for scheduled repaints, etc.
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Old 2nd Feb 2014, 05:49
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All sounded so good back when "Alan was happy" announcing the EK/QF tie up ....
......and it was in the last thirty minutes before the announcement was made and still negotiating, that concessions not previously agreed to, (whatever they were) finally were, and got the agreement across the line.
The comment from Tim Clark in reference to that last thirty minute period suggested strongly that up to then, agreement had not been reached.
Could it be that that concessions that we see disadvantaging Qantas today were the ones agreed to at the last moment by Joyce?

This is a 5 year agreement, perhaps inescapable !!

Much more bad news for Qantas to come, I expect.
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Old 2nd Feb 2014, 08:56
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So any truth to the rumour that Alan's last trip to Dubai was an attempt to collect some cash for his strategy?
Emirates accounts payable section didn't have any record.
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Old 2nd Feb 2014, 11:11
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So any truth to the rumour that Alan's last trip to Dubai was an attempt to collect some cash for his strategy?
Emirates accounts payable section didn't have any record.
Rumour I'm hearing was he went up there to organise his new job. Can only hope that rumour is true.
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Old 2nd Feb 2014, 11:41
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I heard that his visit was to bed down the JNB codeshare. I can imagine EK sitting down to the table, well aware of QF's fleet status, saying something like "no revenue sharing, and what the f*ck are you going to do about it?"
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Old 2nd Feb 2014, 11:48
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Payoff for another job well done? Wreck Qf for the puppet masters, look as big as you can (stop laughing ppl!) to the sandpit to organise a nice golden parachute job for youself in addition to the golden parachute your current employer gave you. Nice...

Sickening.
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Old 2nd Feb 2014, 12:02
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SYD - JNB gone
DXB -LHR gone ( 1 flight at least)
BNE and MEL Terminals sold then leased back
FF Float.
2800 extra staff gone, including 250 pilots. Thats what I have just heard.
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Old 2nd Feb 2014, 12:10
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I sincerely hope that is not true.
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Old 2nd Feb 2014, 12:27
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I think I can hear the fat lady warming her vocal cords as we speak.......
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Old 2nd Feb 2014, 15:10
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That sounds about right, sad to say. Unless they bite the bullet and do the checks on the six jumbos due soon they will have to drop JNB and change Japan to the 330.

The fleet has been shrinking faster than the approximately 3%/year pilot group reductions, and there have been recent changes to eliminate S/Os on the nearby Asian destinations.

250 pilots sounds about right, maybe slightly more, although I hope that zero is the outcome.

As far as the non-frontline staff go: we have seen burgeoning management numbers for a dwindling fleet in a mature market. Surely they could find a couple of thousand recent hires whom to teach the bitter lesson of QF Kool-Aide?

From a long-time observer of airlines, I cannot see how reducing the business to a few under serviced Asian routes and LAX/JFK will provide the needed international counterpoint to keep domestic viable. On the other hand, I met someone today who has flown Jetstar twice, so apparently it is possible to overestimate the market.
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Old 2nd Feb 2014, 19:20
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Japan I think will stay with the 747 due to J class loads however Dallas I think will go to American Airlines. The manager there told me it was bleeding $1 million a week. The hot rumour at the moment is that 787 order will finally be canned, and that in my opinion would be the final nail in the coffin of Qantas.
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Old 2nd Feb 2014, 20:18
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There is the burning issue of transmission of business and jetstar re the retrenchment of mainline pilots.
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Old 2nd Feb 2014, 20:47
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Dallas I think will go to American Airlines
Direct in their 777?
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