EK A380 Taxi Mishap - YBBN 14/10/13
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On a related note...let's give credit where it's due.
The GIG pilot(s) were treated very professionally and the Safety Dept conducted itself as it should without Fleet being overly involved.
The end game was as good as it gets, considering the circumstances .
Wishing the same for our brothers in BNE.
f.
The GIG pilot(s) were treated very professionally and the Safety Dept conducted itself as it should without Fleet being overly involved.
The end game was as good as it gets, considering the circumstances .
Wishing the same for our brothers in BNE.
f.
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Oh dear.
Another FD crew out of a job? Probably.
Incident on your record? Then you're unemployable these days.
I would prefer to have someone on my books that has had an incident or two. It's the people who have never made a mistake that worry me. First mistake can be their last?
Most of it is down to poor and penny pinching training.
Last edited by Don_Apron; 15th Oct 2013 at 15:02.
Another FD crew out of a job? Probably.
Incident on your record? Then you're unemployable these days.
I would prefer to have someone on my books that has had an incident or two. It's the people who have never made a mistake that worry me. First mistake can be their last?
Most of it is down to poor and penny pinching training.
Last edited by Don_Apron; 15th Oct 2013 at 15:02.
Never mind, Skymark looking for dugong pilots. Korean Air gonna have a roadshow enticing EK pilots out of sandpit to kimchi pit. Plenty of jobs around.
I'd be interested to know how many other times pilots have missed this intersection. Bet it's not the first time. I've seen some interesting skid marks on taxiway B northbound in the past where someone has obviously realised very late that they were about to go into no-mans land.
Maybe the installation of some sort of 'Hold Short' flashing lights to alert crews might be in order?
Knowing BAC though, it'll be 2020 before they install them and then every aircraft will have to pay in the meanwhile to fund them!
Knowing BAC though, it'll be 2020 before they install them and then every aircraft will have to pay in the meanwhile to fund them!
And its not the first time for an Emirates aircraft in Brisbane either. A couple of years back now, we were taxying out at night for a 19 departure to SYD, and ATC (unusually) flipped us out to taxiway A. Approaching the holding point, to our amazement, an Emirates 777 had cornered itself on taxiway D. Apparently it was there for some time before a tug could be organised. At night, wet, unfamiliar, and you let your guard down... you could imagine how this could happen.
Taking the wrong taxiway, lining up on rwy edge lighting, lining up on closed rwy's even ldg at the wrong drome, all part of aviation & risk management. The big ticket item here is the guy behind the steering wheel as you can have all the best training in the world, all the fancy gizmo's in the pit of cocks, all the CRM crap you can dream up as well as all the other feel good words TEM being one of them all means Bear Poo as we are humans not machines & fatigue & distraction will always win at times.
I hope the commander learns from it & not get whacked in irons!
Wmk2
I hope the commander learns from it & not get whacked in irons!
Wmk2
A similar incident happened at BHX in DEC 2010. There are views on whose fault it was elsewhere on this forum.
BBC News - Emirates jet stuck in grass at Birmingham Airport
BBC News - Emirates jet stuck in grass at Birmingham Airport
It is only a computer bug; we can fix it!
So you two who believe human pilots are a problem forget that the programmer who writes the software is also human, and has much less-self interest in getting it absolutely right than the pilot who will be first to the scene of the accident!.
I seen enough outcomes from programmers and IT experts that I never want to trust my life with them!
I seen enough outcomes from programmers and IT experts that I never want to trust my life with them!
I've neeeaarly done it.
I didn't have to brake hard but it was enough of a warning to me that I now mention it to my mate if our clearance is the same as what these guys got.
Is the reason we are tempted to sail right through because most runways there would be no option of going through?
I didn't have to brake hard but it was enough of a warning to me that I now mention it to my mate if our clearance is the same as what these guys got.
Is the reason we are tempted to sail right through because most runways there would be no option of going through?
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i have done this. i mean as an f/o head down with my own pre t/o scans while the (check) captain taxiis past the last taxiway for the rwy. wasnt bne tho. or in aussie. not a big deal but both a bit red faced.
22R at JFK Waren? I have been very close to missing that one.
The don.
The don.
Last edited by donpizmeov; 16th Oct 2013 at 09:04.
Korean Air did exactly the same thing in BNE not so long ago in a 'bus. After a spate of these (another one in BKK) occurring they have fixed the problem. No really, they have. Lots of extra talk talk in the cockpit so the likelyhood of missing a call goes up. No problem they will invent another procedure to fix that if it happens. Funny thing is they did it again at home base the other day in a triple!!!
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As said I think we have all missed a taxiway once or twice in our life time due to many reasons, usually no big deal. But unfortunately due to the poor design of this particular taxiway in Brisbane where an international width taxiway turns into a GA width taxiway it has caused more interest than it really should have.
If a Chief Pilot can do it what chance have us poor mortals got!
If a Chief Pilot can do it what chance have us poor mortals got!
