Stop Pilot Skills going on the Shortage list. Your help required.
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Stop Pilot Skills going on the Shortage list. Your help required.
A submission has been made for 'Aeroplane Pilot' to be added to the Immigration Skilled Shortage List. Here
For those of you who
-are a newly qualified pilot
-cannot get a job as a pilot here in NZ,
-or for other obvious reasons do not think Pilot skills should be added to the shortage list seeing as we produce anywhere in the region of 200 pilots per year, please use the following to make a submission.
Your deadline is close at 5.00pm on 26 July 2013.
Now extended to Aug 9.
STOP THIS FROM HAPPENING!
Submission Form
Example Submission to help
And yes this can even be of benefit to Australian Pilots also, you may be across the ditch, but this is your job market as well!
For those short on time, emails can be made to GAA who are making a submission on behalf of, see post from 'D check'
Nominated by Price Waterhouse Coopers on behalf of Air New Zealand to add to the ISSL for all regions.
-are a newly qualified pilot
-cannot get a job as a pilot here in NZ,
-or for other obvious reasons do not think Pilot skills should be added to the shortage list seeing as we produce anywhere in the region of 200 pilots per year, please use the following to make a submission.
Your deadline is close at 5.00pm on 26 July 2013.
Now extended to Aug 9.
STOP THIS FROM HAPPENING!
Submission Form
Example Submission to help
And yes this can even be of benefit to Australian Pilots also, you may be across the ditch, but this is your job market as well!
For those short on time, emails can be made to GAA who are making a submission on behalf of, see post from 'D check'
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QF mainline recently announced there was no need for redundancies in the current flying plan thru till 2016.
200 or so on leave of absence & a previously declared surplus of 180.
However with the forecasted retirement of hulls, surely there must be an impending surplus.
200 or so on leave of absence & a previously declared surplus of 180.
However with the forecasted retirement of hulls, surely there must be an impending surplus.
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i) Training time required
At least two years training time usually required to get a Commercial Pilot License.4 This includes at least 200 hours flying time and meeting other requirements (e.g. age and holding a New Zealand Private Pilot Licence).
Two years to do that??!!!!!
At least two years training time usually required to get a Commercial Pilot License.4 This includes at least 200 hours flying time and meeting other requirements (e.g. age and holding a New Zealand Private Pilot Licence).
Two years to do that??!!!!!
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Stop Pilot Skills going on the Shortage list. Your help required.
What a load of crap!
The only reason I had to go to Australia is because I could not get entry level work in NZ!
Because of silly rules you need 150 hours command to get a meatbombing job flying a clapped out 206. That's supposed to be an entry level job!
The only reason I had to go to Australia is because I could not get entry level work in NZ!
Because of silly rules you need 150 hours command to get a meatbombing job flying a clapped out 206. That's supposed to be an entry level job!
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My son is one of those graduates from Ardmore who fled to Australia because he couldn't get work here in NZ.
The son of a very good friend trained at SIT and had to go to to FIJI for work. He is now meatbombing back here in NZ.
I know of many others who have trained here in NZ but have to go overseas for work. So no shortage of pilots here, just a very difficult gap to find the work that enables them to bridge that gap from CPL to theminimum that Air NZ require.
The son of a very good friend trained at SIT and had to go to to FIJI for work. He is now meatbombing back here in NZ.
I know of many others who have trained here in NZ but have to go overseas for work. So no shortage of pilots here, just a very difficult gap to find the work that enables them to bridge that gap from CPL to theminimum that Air NZ require.
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Have you ever talked to one of the much older Air NZ pilots?...
"In the good 'ol days" Air NZ used to say yes to the pilots before they even had their CPL, and told them to hurry up and finish their training.
...or slot an overseas pilot in a Jet job in place of a Link Pilot.
Cadet pilots here we come
"In the good 'ol days" Air NZ used to say yes to the pilots before they even had their CPL, and told them to hurry up and finish their training.
This is to replace all the Link Pilots getting Jet Jobs
a shortage of Pilots who can fly IFR and make it through the Sim check
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then they're going to need to look elsewhere
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Interesting? all round.
This is more a fishing tool by a middle manager to try and convince another middle manager in a government dept to open up the borders to let them hire foreign pilots. This to merely undercut Alpa and the Feds out of the next round of bargaining?
It has nothing to do with a pilot shortage actual or perceived?
You know this by reading their submission stating to the government that there is only 8 qualified pilots to meet Air NZ requirements?
What a load of crap, if this is true Air NZ should open their files and prove it to everyone.
Price Waterhouse Coopers is one of the top accounting and auditing firms around and this is what they come up with, complete lies??? 8 pilots, research a little?
I know handful's of pilots who are well qualified and aren't getting interviews. It's not that Air Nz is turning them down, they're not even getting phone calls????
So how many pilots have the right to live and work in NZ, that includes Australia? Plenty
This is more a fishing tool by a middle manager to try and convince another middle manager in a government dept to open up the borders to let them hire foreign pilots. This to merely undercut Alpa and the Feds out of the next round of bargaining?
It has nothing to do with a pilot shortage actual or perceived?
You know this by reading their submission stating to the government that there is only 8 qualified pilots to meet Air NZ requirements?
What a load of crap, if this is true Air NZ should open their files and prove it to everyone.
Price Waterhouse Coopers is one of the top accounting and auditing firms around and this is what they come up with, complete lies??? 8 pilots, research a little?
I know handful's of pilots who are well qualified and aren't getting interviews. It's not that Air Nz is turning them down, they're not even getting phone calls????
So how many pilots have the right to live and work in NZ, that includes Australia? Plenty
In assessing the merit of submissions, the Ministry will consult with employers, trade unions and other employee and industry bodies, as well as relevant government agencies such as the Ministry of Social Development and the New Zealand Qualifications Authority.
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Hahahhaaha! 8 pilots in New Zealand who meet Link requirements? I can think of 8 off the top of my head, so I'm honoured to know them all.
Changing immigration requirements could have a long term effect on the domestic market, all to fix a short term problem. I'm sure it won't be too long until the Links fill up and they can go back to rejecting pilots for only having two space shuttle launches. "We really like our recruits to have commanded an Apollo mission before we look at hiring them."
Changing immigration requirements could have a long term effect on the domestic market, all to fix a short term problem. I'm sure it won't be too long until the Links fill up and they can go back to rejecting pilots for only having two space shuttle launches. "We really like our recruits to have commanded an Apollo mission before we look at hiring them."
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what shortage?
Im an ex RAAF pilot with over 2000 fast jet hours. It took over two years to get an airline job in Australia. None of the airlines have a shortage of pilots, they just want to employ as cheaply as possible regardless of skills. Fact.
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This is purely a move by Airlines to keep lower wages. Happens in Australia in most industries.
Aircraft maintenance engineer has been on the list in OZ for 10+ years. Try getting a job any where now as an AME......there is none.
Aircraft maintenance engineer has been on the list in OZ for 10+ years. Try getting a job any where now as an AME......there is none.
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I met the experience requirements 5 times over, but didn't have UE or my ATPLs written so was told I had to write them first.
Why? Why should foreign pilots be hired over someone who is more than capable of doing the job.
Before you think I am bitter and twisted over this, I have now passed the ATPL and have a position with Air NZ.
I know that there is plenty of guys out there that are in my position.
Why? Why should foreign pilots be hired over someone who is more than capable of doing the job.
Before you think I am bitter and twisted over this, I have now passed the ATPL and have a position with Air NZ.
I know that there is plenty of guys out there that are in my position.
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What a load of nonsense, even if there were only 8 experienced GA pilots remaining in the whole country ( which I don't believe for a second ) then that is still no excuse for playing the "immigration" card. The GA scene in the UK / western Europe has been practically dead for decades now, there's really no way for up and comers to get multi piston or light turbo time, but the system still works. If the poms can successfully put hundreds of 250 hour guys a year into the RHS of buses and boeings, then poor old ANZ might have to just put a few of them into the B1900.
Alternatively if they really must have "experienced" pilots then they can bloody well hire some DEFO's and DEC's from the ranks of the many hundreds of us now flying jets overseas, who had to go overseas in the last couple decades due to the zero progression in NZ.
I'm sure even if the cv pile is a bit thin at the moment it's only a temporary hiccup and normal service will soon be resumed, where they are able to set their minimums of only considering space shuttle commanders with the Victoria Cross for the privilege of spending a decade in the 777 jumpseat
Alternatively if they really must have "experienced" pilots then they can bloody well hire some DEFO's and DEC's from the ranks of the many hundreds of us now flying jets overseas, who had to go overseas in the last couple decades due to the zero progression in NZ.
I'm sure even if the cv pile is a bit thin at the moment it's only a temporary hiccup and normal service will soon be resumed, where they are able to set their minimums of only considering space shuttle commanders with the Victoria Cross for the privilege of spending a decade in the 777 jumpseat
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Hmmm its a little hard to follow at first, and I think if the example was more closely related to pilots, rather than the Industry trying to lower the conditions of service, more might complete the thing and return it.
Having said that Ive done mine. Any further comments on how to fill it in prior to hitting the send button?
Having said that Ive done mine. Any further comments on how to fill it in prior to hitting the send button?
If you meet these requirements:
and are a kiwi who would happily take a job with Air NZ then make a submission stating that fact. My guess is a lot more than 8 of you will do this and the Ministry will be forced to conclude that Price Waterhouse Cooper & Air NZ are full of it and simply trying to keep wages down.
The Ministry sates
Your submission will effect the " estimated job seekers" indicator and will be difficult to ignore.
A NZCAA Commercial Pilots Licence
Multi Engine Instrument Rating
A basic gas turbine endorsement
500 hours (part 121.557 of the Civil Aviation Act) total flying hours including:
- 100 in Air Operations
- 25 hours of night flying
Multi Engine Instrument Rating
A basic gas turbine endorsement
500 hours (part 121.557 of the Civil Aviation Act) total flying hours including:
- 100 in Air Operations
- 25 hours of night flying
The Ministry sates
A NZCAA Commercial Pilots Licence
Multi Engine Instrument Rating
A basic gas turbine endorsement
500 hours (part 121.557 of the Civil Aviation Act) total flying hours including:
- 100 in Air Operations
- 25 hours of night flying
Multi Engine Instrument Rating
A basic gas turbine endorsement
500 hours (part 121.557 of the Civil Aviation Act) total flying hours including:
- 100 in Air Operations
- 25 hours of night flying
Five indicators of shortage are used: estimated job seekers; Jobs Online index (measure of vacancies); visa approvals; employment growth; and the likelihood of the shortage being long term.
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Also somebody should probably point out to the immigration guys that, wasn't it just a couple years ago that the guvmint drastically cut access to student loans for pilot training, once they realized the blindingly obvious fact that only a very small percentage of graduates ended up in paid employment as pilots? How does this same government now reconcile that position, with any kind of a proposal to put pilots on the skills shortage list?
Maybe the immigration guys should talk to the student loan guys, and get their point of view on the situation, as opposed to taking Price Waterhouse' word for it.
Is there any way to make online submissions to this thing, I'm up in Vietnam and I don't think a letter would get there before the deadline
Maybe the immigration guys should talk to the student loan guys, and get their point of view on the situation, as opposed to taking Price Waterhouse' word for it.
Is there any way to make online submissions to this thing, I'm up in Vietnam and I don't think a letter would get there before the deadline