QF Metals MOU for Cat A
If line engineers are going to loose jobs,ALAEA better start to get Qantas to do more heavy maintenance check in Australia than going offshore.
Start by saving Avalon heavy maintenance.
Start by saving Avalon heavy maintenance.
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Since when has the ALAEA had any influence on management decisions ? The ALAEA has about as much influence on that decision and santa clause does.
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To keep context, these are what the CAT A licence holder could sign out, if fully trained to CASR requirements and competent at the task.
Sorry Managers perspective but your wrong quoting what CASR's allow. QF has introduced it's own "A authorisation" which doesn't even require a person to hold an "A licence". Qantas policy manual Easa 'style' licence scope bears little resemblance to the Casr document.
Sorry Managers perspective but your wrong quoting what CASR's allow. QF has introduced it's own "A authorisation" which doesn't even require a person to hold an "A licence". Qantas policy manual Easa 'style' licence scope bears little resemblance to the Casr document.
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Will the ALAEA appeal againist the FWA decision?
I understand there is a 21 day period when the ALAEA can appeal against the decision handed down by the FWA regarding the AME EBA. 
I hope at least they give it a shot!!!
PV
I hope at least they give it a shot!!!
PV
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Aveng Do you comprehend the difference between your and you are (you're)?
It's a bit rich for you to pick up someone for a typo. Here's a couple of points for you to mull over.
1.Your user name being one word instead of two.
2. A comma should have been used after "Aveng", with no Capital "D" for "do" If you had used a full stop, "Aveng" would have been a one word sentence.
3, It's "aveng", not "Aveng".
You know what they say about "people who live in glass houses",don't you?
Just stick to the thread.
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Sounds like it.
Some very interesting times ahead for these guys. I guess you could call them the Guinea Pigs.
Not sure if I would like to be in their shoes.
(PS, please excuse any shortcomings in my spellin or grandma).
Some very interesting times ahead for these guys. I guess you could call them the Guinea Pigs.
Not sure if I would like to be in their shoes.
(PS, please excuse any shortcomings in my spellin or grandma).
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Recently informed new QF Cat A training involves some applicants eligible for the courses being taught to add and subtract without a calculator.
Who the hell have they really got in mind for this training in the future ? Con the Fruitier maybe.
Who the hell have they really got in mind for this training in the future ? Con the Fruitier maybe.
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Don't blame the AME's. Its not 20yrs ago where you get licenced 2yrs out of your time. I think the LAMES need to put themselves in the AME's position. They are underpaid and any type of training is better than none. Of course they would rather get a proper full licence but they would be stupid to knock back Cat A training... or overtime too for that matter. Its a lot easier for a LAME to knock back OT than it is for a young AME with a mortgage ect.
Lets just keep the focus on the company and the dumbing down of engineering, but understand the position an AME is put in. I have personally heard many Lame's say openly they don't want to see anymore ame's trained up and licence courses should go to current licence holders. What do you think the Ame's think of that?
Lets just keep the focus on the company and the dumbing down of engineering, but understand the position an AME is put in. I have personally heard many Lame's say openly they don't want to see anymore ame's trained up and licence courses should go to current licence holders. What do you think the Ame's think of that?
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Lames expected to train the Cat A's, sign their experience books, and then the Cat A's make the Lames redundant. 
Only solution is to get the Cat A's into the ALAEA, but looks like that's not gonna happen.
What should the Lames do, support this experiment or not?
Only solution is to get the Cat A's into the ALAEA, but looks like that's not gonna happen.
What should the Lames do, support this experiment or not?
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Experiment? This is going to happen my friend. I personally will not be signing anything that the guy did not do 100% and if he make sone deviation from the MM he'll have a blank page.
This is a joke. We have to sign, its our job, but I'll make it damn hard!
This is a joke. We have to sign, its our job, but I'll make it damn hard!
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Just curious,
What is the percentage of AME,s to LAME,s on a roster.
I gather if the AME does the job,then the LAMEs check to see if alls ok then sign off.
If a LAME does the job he can sign off but what if he had a bad day,does another LAME check.
I gather the AME,s doing this aren't fresh on the floor,and had many years doing such tasks.
What is the percentage of AME,s to LAME,s on a roster.
I gather if the AME does the job,then the LAMEs check to see if alls ok then sign off.
If a LAME does the job he can sign off but what if he had a bad day,does another LAME check.
I gather the AME,s doing this aren't fresh on the floor,and had many years doing such tasks.
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This is a joke. We have to sign, its our job, but I'll make it damn hard!
Apparently A License holders aren't LAMEs just AMEs with a license. It stands to reason that if they are not becoming LAMEs, then its got nothing to do with LAMEs.
Let the AMEs sort themselves out, since thats what the company wants.
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SpannerTwister and Empire4 - spot on.
As a 'driver, airframes, for the use of', the passengers and I ultimately bear the brunt of where penny pinching schemes like this allow the holes in the cheese to line up, an aircraft and occupants end up in kit form, and for what?
A few dollars and someone elses climb up the managerial pole?
Having seen a system where the experienced incumbents were expected to train their cheaper, less experienced and less credentialled replacements, it does not work well. Even those that get through are sent off with mental fingers crossed behind ones back.
However, it sounds like you will enforce standards where 99% is not good enough, and for that, I for one as a driver am grateful.
The LAMEs we encounter route wide are in general experienced, capable and trustworthy, which sadly can not be said for many of the other 'trades' we are required to deal with while trying to get our passengers from A to B safely.
Clearly we have a vested interest in you keeping engineering standards high, long may they stay so.
Should your union be making this cheap skate standards erosion more public through the media so that passengers know their lives are likely to be more at risk than at present?
As a 'driver, airframes, for the use of', the passengers and I ultimately bear the brunt of where penny pinching schemes like this allow the holes in the cheese to line up, an aircraft and occupants end up in kit form, and for what?
A few dollars and someone elses climb up the managerial pole?
Having seen a system where the experienced incumbents were expected to train their cheaper, less experienced and less credentialled replacements, it does not work well. Even those that get through are sent off with mental fingers crossed behind ones back.
However, it sounds like you will enforce standards where 99% is not good enough, and for that, I for one as a driver am grateful.
The LAMEs we encounter route wide are in general experienced, capable and trustworthy, which sadly can not be said for many of the other 'trades' we are required to deal with while trying to get our passengers from A to B safely.
Clearly we have a vested interest in you keeping engineering standards high, long may they stay so.
Should your union be making this cheap skate standards erosion more public through the media so that passengers know their lives are likely to be more at risk than at present?
LongTimeInCX
Unfortunately the public thinks LAMEs all earn $160k a year and do nothing thanks to the publicity from a few tame media organisations and flat out lies that where postulated dur8ng the last LAMEs wage negotiations by management.
I support Steve and the rest of the ALAEA executive 100% in what they are trying to achieve.
I dont work for Qantas, I dont actually have a permanent job any more but am a contractor because that is what the industry wants now. I would love to have a job where I can drive my car from my house to work and home every day, instead of locking it in the garage for months while I chase the work.
Unfortunately the public thinks LAMEs all earn $160k a year and do nothing thanks to the publicity from a few tame media organisations and flat out lies that where postulated dur8ng the last LAMEs wage negotiations by management.
I support Steve and the rest of the ALAEA executive 100% in what they are trying to achieve.
I dont work for Qantas, I dont actually have a permanent job any more but am a contractor because that is what the industry wants now. I would love to have a job where I can drive my car from my house to work and home every day, instead of locking it in the garage for months while I chase the work.