BNE Full Body Scanner.
Is that water screened and by whom?
Screening only applies in a real sense to the Sterile Area. Access to Airside is covered by other regs.
Both. In the end I tied balloons to it and she was stoked.
Now back on subject before we get it closed down
In Melbourne I have noticed they put the pax through the scanner and the aircrew through the metal detector. I wonder if that is to avoid objections?
Now back on subject before we get it closed down
In Melbourne I have noticed they put the pax through the scanner and the aircrew through the metal detector. I wonder if that is to avoid objections?
Dear Mr Traffic.....
Do you really believe in BNE anything that enters the sterile area is scanned ? Perhaps you should get out more. How do you think engineers move around the airport from side to side and bring vehicles from land side to air side. Sorry, you haven't got a clue what your talking about dude.....only staff who choose to enter through the terminal (and yes pilots can enter through the other gates also if they are smart) need to subject themselves to all that self serving b**l****. Go through the gate underneath or around, using your id and your in without scanning of any kind, then walk up the air stairs, and your in the terminal without needing to deal with the security w@nkers.
Do you really believe in BNE anything that enters the sterile area is scanned ? Perhaps you should get out more. How do you think engineers move around the airport from side to side and bring vehicles from land side to air side. Sorry, you haven't got a clue what your talking about dude.....only staff who choose to enter through the terminal (and yes pilots can enter through the other gates also if they are smart) need to subject themselves to all that self serving b**l****. Go through the gate underneath or around, using your id and your in without scanning of any kind, then walk up the air stairs, and your in the terminal without needing to deal with the security w@nkers.
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It's not a case of "if we're smart". At every airport we could get aboard without going through security no problem but if observed doing this there'd be hell to pay.
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It is almost for some a deterrent to using Australian security airports at all. The several so-called pat downs my wife has been subjected to in the last
year were in the main invasive, offensive and humiliating. Admittedly she has metal hips and knees, but that does not excuse the worst, a butch mannered hostile and insensitive groping, probing woman, (paid by us to do it), deriving a grim kind of satisfaction in causing the maximum discomfort she could get away with. When seeing my wife's distress during that encounter, I went to take a photograph and was immediately told by one of the officious members of the over-staffed gestapo "No pictures allowed in or near security. Put your camera away please."
By what means can these farcical over the top provisions be scaled down or
modified? How can our legislators be made to see that in Australia at least the ruthless, cunning, skilled and determined criminal mind could outwit the present safeguards, rendering them absurd. But more to the point, that the probability of any such hostile act is remote enough as to be dismissed. We are living with a paranoia that feeds upon itself.
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Fantome,
An official written complaint will see the video footage, as far as I know in place at ALL security screening points, reviewed pretty promptly. I'm fairly confident you'd be able to get a copy.
I got to see a copy of my alleged belligerent behaviour at a central airport. Nothing came of it because the footage didn't back up the claims of the neanderthals at the screening point.
An official written complaint will see the video footage, as far as I know in place at ALL security screening points, reviewed pretty promptly. I'm fairly confident you'd be able to get a copy.
I got to see a copy of my alleged belligerent behaviour at a central airport. Nothing came of it because the footage didn't back up the claims of the neanderthals at the screening point.
Good point Clarrie. Conversely video footage has put paid to claims by precious travellers that the process they were subjected to was humiliating, degrading or in some other way inappropriate.
All well and good refusing on principle, religious, health or other reason but the fact of the matter is and as per the posted signage;
"A person at this screening point is taken, by law, to have consented to undergo a screening procedure (except a frisk search), unless the person refuses to undergo the screening procedure. A person who refuses to undergo a screening procedure will not be allowed through the screening point."
Berore I get jumped on by everyone, I agree that in principle crews should not necessarily be subjected to the same processes. I have been told anecdotally it is done to satisfy public perceptions.
I have asked this before, what is your employer or union doing about taking your concerns to the regulator? I'll tell you in case you're wondering - SFA. If I have got that part of it wrong I am more than happy to stand corrected.
All well and good refusing on principle, religious, health or other reason but the fact of the matter is and as per the posted signage;
"A person at this screening point is taken, by law, to have consented to undergo a screening procedure (except a frisk search), unless the person refuses to undergo the screening procedure. A person who refuses to undergo a screening procedure will not be allowed through the screening point."
Berore I get jumped on by everyone, I agree that in principle crews should not necessarily be subjected to the same processes. I have been told anecdotally it is done to satisfy public perceptions.
I have asked this before, what is your employer or union doing about taking your concerns to the regulator? I'll tell you in case you're wondering - SFA. If I have got that part of it wrong I am more than happy to stand corrected.
On a recent flight to Europe my companion was not allowed to carry a small bottle of water
While I was waiting for my partner to return, I was having a conversation with one of the other staff. After she returned about 5 minutes later, I was then asked to do a explosive check.
It was a quiet afternoon in security. At least we did not have to wait to board the aircraft. They were waiting for us.
I have been told anecdotally it is done to satisfy public perceptions.
arkmark,
Perhaps a read of page 11 - 12 of this" http://www.bne.com.au/sites/all/file...let_080610.pdf might set you straight. And yes, it does get done. It's probably the same at all the Designated Airports.
Unfortunately it is not I who do not have a clue. Your awareness of the various security zones throughout a major airport is frighteningly lacking. There is a world of difference between them. We're not just talking about gaining access airside, or to a tarmac.
We are talking here about body scanning at BNE. That only applies to access to the Sterile Area (Level 3 Departures) at the International Terminal, while the Sterile Area at the Domestic (Level 2) does not have them.
Enter one of the Sterile areas (look it up) without having been screened and, after the area has been evacuated, swept by security, and all staff and passengers/public have been re-screened back in, with commensurate delays to airline ops, you will find yourself having a not so nice chat to the AFP and in all likelihood your access privileges withdrawn for some indeterminate time, if not permanently. You could also face a fine or prosecution if they feel like it.
There's a reason why access to the Sterile Areas is prevented except through highly regulated channels. It's to keep d*ckheads like you out.
Do you really believe in BNE anything that enters the sterile area is scanned ?
Unfortunately it is not I who do not have a clue. Your awareness of the various security zones throughout a major airport is frighteningly lacking. There is a world of difference between them. We're not just talking about gaining access airside, or to a tarmac.
We are talking here about body scanning at BNE. That only applies to access to the Sterile Area (Level 3 Departures) at the International Terminal, while the Sterile Area at the Domestic (Level 2) does not have them.
Go through the gate underneath or around, using your id and your in without scanning of any kind, then walk up the air stairs, and your in the terminal without needing to deal with the security w@nkers
There's a reason why access to the Sterile Areas is prevented except through highly regulated channels. It's to keep d*ckheads like you out.
and what's the point in having a sterile boarding area when Jo Bloggs hops in and out of the cargo hold of the aircraft that all the " sterile" folk are travelling on, he sits in there emailing and texting on his mobile phone 4m away from the refueller and all with no screening...... What's the point of having a sterile area?
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The purpose of the sterile area along with CBS is to ensure that all persons and things "departing" on a prescribed aircraft are screened.
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The purpose of the sterile area along with CBS is to ensure that all persons and things "departing" on a prescribed aircraft are screened.
Boy I hope they are honest chaps otherwise the billions of dollars we spend on "visible security" has been wasted.