QF 777 rumours again doing the rounds
Some guys I know, A330 FOs are getting over 240K. Obviously the '380 FO guys on 280+ are doing pretty well. Goes without saying their lot is better than the 767/737.
In fact many of the Jetstar MOU guys are already talking about going back to the 330 as FO's in a few years time, getting a hefty pay rise and working less.
767 are on min hours as are many on the 73.
Apples and Pineapples mate. It's all got one intended destination by the 'demigods' above
In fact many of the Jetstar MOU guys are already talking about going back to the 330 as FO's in a few years time, getting a hefty pay rise and working less.
767 are on min hours as are many on the 73.
Apples and Pineapples mate. It's all got one intended destination by the 'demigods' above
GG...
Noted. I also know a QF LWOP pilot who did JQ time but, faced with demotion to FO upon returning to QF, decided on an Air China contract on continued LWOP from QF.
Earnings and days off are now greater than both QF FO or JQ captain. I hope that situation is indicative of "market forces" and does something to dispel the part-truths used as facts justifying industrial ideologies in QF.
Earnings and days off are now greater than both QF FO or JQ captain. I hope that situation is indicative of "market forces" and does something to dispel the part-truths used as facts justifying industrial ideologies in QF.
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"A330 FOs are getting over 240K. Obviously the '380 FO guys on 280+"
Holy moly, are these numbers for real?
I recently retired as a 744 skipper for a major and was paid less than one of your F/O's.
Thats a huge salary for an FO by any standard.
Holy moly, are these numbers for real?
I recently retired as a 744 skipper for a major and was paid less than one of your F/O's.
Thats a huge salary for an FO by any standard.
If Qantas aircraft were not so expensive to crew, and that goes from the Pilot, down to the third generation Qantas bag chucker, to the A scale cabin manager on 130k, they would probably already have the 777.
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Qantas pilots don't get a salary, they work on a credited hourly rate. The current rate for A330 FO's is 161.09 P.C.H.
They are working the max of 175 credited hours per roster. There are 6.5 rosters in a year. OT on the A330 is almost non-existent.
Unless they are overprojecting the hours like crazy the numbers are BS.
They are working the max of 175 credited hours per roster. There are 6.5 rosters in a year. OT on the A330 is almost non-existent.
Unless they are overprojecting the hours like crazy the numbers are BS.
Kremlin...
I'm sure it's just the start of the new era of honesty, openness & integrity which will make all "the difference" to trust and engagement.
I'm not sure who Ramius knows, but I'm with Kremin; the A330 numbers quoted are not indicative.
I'm not sure who Ramius knows, but I'm with Kremin; the A330 numbers quoted are not indicative.
Originally Posted by ramius
The numbers are accurate.
In any case, before the oz pesos rise to parity we were the just about the cheapest going round, shall we take a chop cause now it just 'looks' like a lot compared to what it used to? Cause I'm pretty sure it's no cheaper to live round here than before...
Even off your base CK thats still 185k to be a 330 FO as a minimum guarantee.
Add some overtime, WDO payments and allowances on top and it doesn't take much to top it up. Add the roster and lifestyle and the 330 gig is pretty hard to beat at QF.
P.S I know for a fact a 330 SO will GROSS about 170-175K.
EDIT: Sorry, was meaning clear as in gross with all allowances and add ons.
Add some overtime, WDO payments and allowances on top and it doesn't take much to top it up. Add the roster and lifestyle and the 330 gig is pretty hard to beat at QF.
P.S I know for a fact a 330 SO will GROSS about 170-175K.
EDIT: Sorry, was meaning clear as in gross with all allowances and add ons.
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Well i think il take a demotion then to a 330 SO cos i dont CLEAR $175,000 as a Captain.
That's 'cause it's utter BS dragon man
Obviously the '380 FO guys on 280+ are doing pretty well.
My biggest regret was going down the LAME path after my airframe engines apprenticeship, should of done the flight engineer course 38 years ago
Nunc est bibendum
P.S I know for a fact a 330 SO will clear about 170-175K.
Or are you including super (which you don't see) and allowances as part of that number? Even then, the numbers don't add up unless you're talking about someone with enough tax deductions today zero tax. Then you may be getting close to the ball park.
Even off your base CK thats still 185k to be a 330 FO as a minimum guarantee.
Still that's better than a slap in the face with a dead fish but not quite 240k even with the little overtime there is on the 330 and allowances.
But this was a 777 thread and in the unlikely event some turn up at a gate near here, then AIPA will negotiate a deal to fly them. If Qantas don't like it they'll no doubt get someone else to do it.....and that would be another addition to the sad sideshow that Qantas has become for those that still give their best effort for the brand (as opposed to those trusted with managing it).
Or are you including super (which you don't see) and allowances as part of that number?
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These numbers are BS. I'm an ex 744 f/o and didn't come close to $250k, and that also includes the year the 380 went bang and we all got assigned a massive amount of flying and overtime to cover the grounded aircraft.
To say the 330 f/os are at that salary with the little overtime they do is complete rubbish.
To say the 330 f/os are at that salary with the little overtime they do is complete rubbish.
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Apples with Apples ?
Apologies for thread drift, last time I noticed the UA 744 crew clearing SYD Immigration there were 2 Captains and 2 F/O's, the QF guys had 1 Capt.
1 F/O and 2 S/O's, which crew is more expensive ?
The Qf 380's heading to Dubai ex MEL and SYD will have (I believe) 1 Capt. 1 F/O and 2 S/O's, the EK crew have 2 Captains and 2 F/O's........which crew is more expensive ?
QF 777's.......as if.
1 F/O and 2 S/O's, which crew is more expensive ?
The Qf 380's heading to Dubai ex MEL and SYD will have (I believe) 1 Capt. 1 F/O and 2 S/O's, the EK crew have 2 Captains and 2 F/O's........which crew is more expensive ?
QF 777's.......as if.
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Apologies for thread drift, last time I noticed the UA 744 crew clearing SYD Immigration there were 2 Captains and 2 F/O's, the QF guys had 1 Capt.
1 F/O and 2 S/O's, which crew is more expensive ?
The Qf 380's heading to Dubai ex MEL and SYD will have (I believe) 1 Capt. 1 F/O and 2 S/O's, the EK crew have 2 Captains and 2 F/O's........which crew is more expensive ?
QF 777's.......as if.
1 F/O and 2 S/O's, which crew is more expensive ?
The Qf 380's heading to Dubai ex MEL and SYD will have (I believe) 1 Capt. 1 F/O and 2 S/O's, the EK crew have 2 Captains and 2 F/O's........which crew is more expensive ?
QF 777's.......as if.
You have to compare gross packages for the crew and you have to factor it for the number of hours the operator can get from the crew for that amount of money.
You can't say "but we pay huge tax". The cost to the operating company is your gross package, not your after tax package.
What does a four man EK crew gross per year and compare that to a QF crew. Include all costs for the EK crew for sure.
Wouk be interesting to see the result