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No I don't think they will intervene. The instituional investors will receive a presentation from Qantas and Emirates for a new investment vehicle that they will accept. Everything legal and above board.
Of course by then Qantas will have been "hollowed out" and they will be faced with the awful truth that Qantas is totally dependent on EK for its very existence.
I note today that Qantas has announced it won't be offering pork on any of its European flights in response to Islamic sensitivities.
To put that in context, you will not see EK change anything to "accomodate" Qantas, which should lead you to understand that this is not a partnership of equals.
Dixon and Singleton realised this in a microsecond when the deal was announced, took their ball and went home with a tidy little profit.
Institutional investors may intervene if things became too one sided, wouldn't you think?
Of course by then Qantas will have been "hollowed out" and they will be faced with the awful truth that Qantas is totally dependent on EK for its very existence.
I note today that Qantas has announced it won't be offering pork on any of its European flights in response to Islamic sensitivities.
To put that in context, you will not see EK change anything to "accomodate" Qantas, which should lead you to understand that this is not a partnership of equals.
Dixon and Singleton realised this in a microsecond when the deal was announced, took their ball and went home with a tidy little profit.
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Depends where they moved the money. I doubt it is sitting in a savings account.
EDIT: WTF! no more bacon or ham?! What a load of bulldust.
EDIT: WTF! no more bacon or ham?! What a load of bulldust.
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The next thing to go will be " Spirit of Australia" due to the word spirit being associated with alcohol...
But it does not matter, the spirit was lost long ago...
As for the menu, what about a thing called choice? Choose not to eat the pork or alcohol infused food... Keep it separated in a separate cart FFS!
I'm all for religious freedom , but not when it's enforced and in my face.
YOU choose your religion, I'LL choose what I want to eat.
And respect each others choices... Just give people the option to choose.
But it does not matter, the spirit was lost long ago...
As for the menu, what about a thing called choice? Choose not to eat the pork or alcohol infused food... Keep it separated in a separate cart FFS!
I'm all for religious freedom , but not when it's enforced and in my face.
YOU choose your religion, I'LL choose what I want to eat.
And respect each others choices... Just give people the option to choose.
Then it will be Arabic language 1st English 2nd, no mention of Christmas or Easter, Arabic signage, ...etc etc.
Great win for EK, an airline they haven't sunk a cent into complying with all their Arab customs.
Great win for EK, an airline they haven't sunk a cent into complying with all their Arab customs.
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Then it will be Arabic language 1st English 2nd, no mention of Christmas or Easter, Arabic signage, ...etc etc.
And just to put the pork comment in context..do QF offer shark fin soup out of CGK, or HKG, or perhaps Whale soup out of NRT? (ok mayby it's pornstar that go to NRT now)
when passengers were wished an enjoyable Good Friday and a happy Easter holiday
Maybe this should be discussed in Jet Blast?
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Maybe this should be discussed in Jet Blast?
Only Qantas current management could launch a "game saving" new partnership with an Arab airline on Easter Sunday with the inaugural flight arriving on April fools day!
There is a funny side to all this. .. heard this joke a few times from people working in the industry, some well heeled SLFs.EK who have agreed to the partnership should also be mindful of the cultural sensitivities that many traditional QF passengers may share that are not in line with Arab thinking.
For me, the partnership is a little lopsided in favour of EK and it is good that all Q operational people be aware of this. Only time will tell whether the new partnership is working or not.
Say for example it doesn't work, of course Qantas management have a contingency plan, or will it be just simply panic.... and embrace Asia again... oh that's right, they are doing that already....
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So if pork is banned, why is alcohol not banned?
I mean, both are banned in Islam, so if one is allowed, should not both be allowed? Or banned?
Further, what proportion of passengers on Australia services (on EK and / or QF) are Muslim (or more specifically, Muslim not originating in the GCC)? If a minority, then surely those people are mature enough to refuse to order pork products (just as they doubtless refuse alcohol).
The parallel is drawn with what is offered on Asia services - but they are additions, not withdrawals.
No problem with a mezze plate being offered (as a choice), but for breakfast, I'll have a sausage or bacon with my eggs, thanks. The chap next to me would like the other choice, foule with pitta bread.
I mean, both are banned in Islam, so if one is allowed, should not both be allowed? Or banned?
Further, what proportion of passengers on Australia services (on EK and / or QF) are Muslim (or more specifically, Muslim not originating in the GCC)? If a minority, then surely those people are mature enough to refuse to order pork products (just as they doubtless refuse alcohol).
The parallel is drawn with what is offered on Asia services - but they are additions, not withdrawals.
No problem with a mezze plate being offered (as a choice), but for breakfast, I'll have a sausage or bacon with my eggs, thanks. The chap next to me would like the other choice, foule with pitta bread.
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I love my pork. But I have never missed eating it when on an Emirates flight.
by Ex A380 Hundreds of thousands of Aussies have travelled on EK, and the majority seem to like it. (The load factors out of OZ seem to indicate so.)
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So if pork is banned, why is alcohol not banned?
I mean, both are banned in Islam, so if one is allowed, should not both be allowed? Or banned?
I mean, both are banned in Islam, so if one is allowed, should not both be allowed? Or banned?
Alcohol isn't banned by Islam, it is it's effect that is against the principles of islam. Which can then be interpreted to suit ones cause.
Whats the old saying? Drink responsibly.
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QF and EL merge.
QF cut pork from the menu. This is to better align QF with EK values.
Why don't EK START serving pork...? It goes both way.
We are a multicultural society, EK tied up with us as much as we did with them, I don't understand why we always have to bow down to other cultures. What about ours? Its balanced. We live in harmony.
But wait, if they adopted our way of life then we would probably be labelled as racist for not respecting their way of life.
Im sorry QF, epic fail.
QF cut pork from the menu. This is to better align QF with EK values.
Why don't EK START serving pork...? It goes both way.
We are a multicultural society, EK tied up with us as much as we did with them, I don't understand why we always have to bow down to other cultures. What about ours? Its balanced. We live in harmony.
But wait, if they adopted our way of life then we would probably be labelled as racist for not respecting their way of life.
Im sorry QF, epic fail.
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How bloody ignorant can some people be? Why would a Christian, on Christianity's most sacred and solemn day, be wished an "enjoyable Good Friday."?
Perhaps Ken you'd be happier if the Christian dominated world shut down completely on Good Friday? or better yet we all went to church and said 50 hail Mary's to repent our sins?????
Honestly, if you could find offence Ken..you'd probably want the gate as well
And seriously you lot are worried about pork? what a bunch of whinging little girls....
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Qantas is an internationally recognised company that many would associate with being Australian.
It is showing more respect to EK rather than to its foundations of an Australian Airline.
To cut pork from a menu has a representation that if I voice, I will be called a racist or just another bogan Aussie from the Shire.
As I have said, we are a multicultural society, or so it has been shoved down our throats for years. Are we not meant to be this shinning example to the world that we can all live together in harmony? It would appear its worth nothing. My point is, we all live together, and just because I have pork in my fridge, doesn't mean my neighbour has to flippen eat it!!!
Perhaps their culture could learn a thing or two from us, our multicultural way of life. It should be celebrated, not forced to change to adapt to a single way of life.
If Qantas was so passionate about not offending other religions, then they would have cut pork from the menu of all flights associated with the worlds largest population of Muslims: Indonesia.
It is showing more respect to EK rather than to its foundations of an Australian Airline.
To cut pork from a menu has a representation that if I voice, I will be called a racist or just another bogan Aussie from the Shire.
As I have said, we are a multicultural society, or so it has been shoved down our throats for years. Are we not meant to be this shinning example to the world that we can all live together in harmony? It would appear its worth nothing. My point is, we all live together, and just because I have pork in my fridge, doesn't mean my neighbour has to flippen eat it!!!
Perhaps their culture could learn a thing or two from us, our multicultural way of life. It should be celebrated, not forced to change to adapt to a single way of life.
If Qantas was so passionate about not offending other religions, then they would have cut pork from the menu of all flights associated with the worlds largest population of Muslims: Indonesia.
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Haughtney I just think it is ridiculous that any religious doctrine that has nothing to do with me and many other travelers is being used to dictate what I can and cannot eat and drink. and I dont give a toss whether its christians muslims jews or hindus. it has taken centuries to get from under the yoke of overt christian doctrine only to pander to those cultures that are less tolerant.
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Correct me if Im wrong but Im sure that no airline operating to the middle east serves pork.
Also, EK has changed it menu. It now features 2 QF sandwiches. One in First and one in J class. But it does look like a Subway.
Also, EK has changed it menu. It now features 2 QF sandwiches. One in First and one in J class. But it does look like a Subway.
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We are a multicultural society
I think regular pax/crew would agree, there is an increasing sense of calm (which I term as "internationalism") within the various cabins on long haul flights these days, most of the time people just fit in, no matter which airline you are flying. It's when you get back to earth the fun starts again.
Sometimes 39,000 ft is a nicer place... pork or no pork...
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Qantas not offering pork on certain markets is nothing new.
Qantas hasn't offered pork to Jakarta for years...
No Arabic airline to the Middle East offers pork, nor does Malaysian to Kuala Lumpur...
Qantas hasn't offered pork to Jakarta for years...
No Arabic airline to the Middle East offers pork, nor does Malaysian to Kuala Lumpur...