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Old 15th Nov 2012, 03:39
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Worlds best practice = what the other shonks get away with....
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Old 15th Nov 2012, 09:23
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I think the point is every one of us stuffs up sometime, nobody has perfect judgement especially under pressure , late at night , personal issues (like being sacked) family troubles etc.

The mechanisms to keep those holes lining up are being reduced.

Pilots and engineers need to work together to reduce risks and keep a very close eye on what we all do.

We cannot afford to be divided.

Both groups have their problem children and I ask we put that minority aside for the real aim of working as pro's and keeping this game as a safe as we can. Exec's, hatchet men and thick headed pollies come and go, but we will carry the can if there is major incident.

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Old 15th Nov 2012, 15:30
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[QUOTE=Sunfish;7519530

My bible is AC43-13b[/QUOTE]

Having trouble tracking this one done, can you provide a web address? Want to make sure I read the correct doc.

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Old 15th Nov 2012, 15:33
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Originally Posted by Sunfish

My bible is AC43-13b
Having trouble tracking this one down, can you provide a web address? Want to make sure I read the correct doc.

Cheers

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Old 15th Nov 2012, 17:51
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Typo ac43-13 -1b

SAAA - Sports Aircraft Association of Australia - Builders of Experimental Aircraft

Or

AC 43.13-1B - Acceptable Methods, Techniques, and Practices - Aircraft Inspection and Repair [Large AC. This includes Change 1.] - Document Information
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Old 15th Nov 2012, 20:28
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Interesting discussion.

The clock is being turned back here and you really are flying by the seat of your pants. An aviaition term that in its true sense left us in the 20's.
An aviation term that could very well be back with us in its true sense by the time the 20's come back round...
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Old 15th Nov 2012, 23:33
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What is the point of this thread??
Are pilots doing the wrong thing? If so provide the evidence and report it to CASA.
If CASA aren't doing the right thing, report CASA to a higher authority.

If in fact the thread is designed to paint Qantas pilots as unprofessional to suit your industrial agenda, then the engineers should be looking for a new union leader.
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Old 15th Nov 2012, 23:38
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Dash8 AirNuigini radios Maintenance Watch, " Props keep going out of sync, advise"
Short wait .... " Suggest shut down one engine"
Long Pause...." You do realise we are flying?"
No answer
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Old 16th Nov 2012, 00:23
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What is the point of this thread??
It's to let you know that breaches will be reported to CASA. If you think that is an Industrial agenda, go back to your HR office. What in fact is an Industrial agenda?
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Old 16th Nov 2012, 08:30
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What breaches are you going to report ?
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Old 16th Nov 2012, 08:35
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It's to let you know that breaches will be reported to CASA
From recent experience CASA will only deal with the "accountable" person in the organisation. So you will be ignored.
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Old 16th Nov 2012, 08:51
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What breaches are you going to report ?
Any rule breach we come across. We lodged a dozen two weeks ago. They need to be investigated to make sure they don't happen again. An example is what started this thread. At best it is a paperwork error, an error none the less that has a root cause. Its about making aviation safer.

We are sick of Qantas relying on cowboys and those too scared to speak out. We will do it (report) ourselves, there are enough good members who send things to us. Don't think Engineers are immune, they are involved in many reports we submit.

I rarely see any breach that is not in part or totally attributable to management. Be it fatigue, pressure, stress, a norm they allow to develop, understaffing, direct threats ....... you name it.
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Old 16th Nov 2012, 10:19
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ALAEA Fed Sec love your work and totally admire your endeavour!

Have been monitoring this thread for sometime now and thought the following Vasta/McKinnon v CASA in the AAT was particularly relevant to what it is you've all been banging on about:
Vasta and Anor and Civil Aviation Safety Authority [2010] AATA 499 (6 July 2010)

It is a particularly long decision by Member Taylor but is very much worth the read especially when Taylor basically tells CASA and Qantas management to stop being so precious...utterly priceless!
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Old 16th Nov 2012, 14:04
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Steve - if a bug dies in my windscreen in mt Isa shall I write it up or should I wait till I get home ?
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Old 16th Nov 2012, 15:58
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If pilots think they know better than the engineer, then by all means carry out as much or no write ups as you wish. After all it is you who will be in the smoking hole and not me. I just hope I'm not in the back when your ignorance catches up to your arrogant sky god mentality.
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Old 16th Nov 2012, 16:29
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Oh god god really ? Smoking holes ? Empire4 are u serious ?! Bloody hell . Glad I've spent the last 3 years looking after us all .
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Old 16th Nov 2012, 16:32
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Ok . Onya Steve . Be careful about glass houses mate , we are your only ally _
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Old 16th Nov 2012, 16:34
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Same as you empire 4 . Let's all just relax hey !!!!
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Old 16th Nov 2012, 18:09
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Ok . Onya Steve . Be careful about glass houses mate , we are your only ally _
I know that mate. This discussion is not a LAME versus Pilot thread. Each group has its small number of cowboys. This is a thread for those people from each group who always do the right thing to keep air travel in this country safe versus the cowboys.

I hope readers can understand this.
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Old 16th Nov 2012, 18:11
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Steve - if a bug dies in my windscreen in mt Isa shall I write it up or should I wait till I get home ?
Wait for home of course. If you fly through a locust plague and vision is in any way impaired, I'm sure you know what my answer would be.
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