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Any body with experience on fast modern turbo-props is well placed to move to a jet. Some aspects are easier, some harder. Refer to posts #37 & #38, it's the standard of trainning & attitude of the candidate that counts.
If you want to fly a jet, join a company thats already operating them!
If you want to fly a jet, join a company thats already operating them!
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That's MY catchphrase, startingout. Get your own 
The reality is that Cobham is the jet operator for QLink;
Their contract has been renewed for a significant time into the future (including the timeframe in which the C-Series may be introduced); (Bloggs won't like the side-stick because it's like a bow-thruster on a boat).
Any new type is a REPLACEMENT for the 717 (Cobham);
The jet clause in your EBA is purely an effort to force Cobham to sharpen their pencils at contract negotiation time. QLink management NEVER intended EAA or SA to operate jets. God, they made the Q400 a space shuttle - imagine what their first jet would do to you guys.
Normasars: Don't bang your head against the wall mate. All you'll do is hurt yer head (as I do)
It's a big world out there. Like R.Cruizo wrote: If you want to fly a jet - join a company that operates them
The reality is that Cobham is the jet operator for QLink;
Their contract has been renewed for a significant time into the future (including the timeframe in which the C-Series may be introduced); (Bloggs won't like the side-stick because it's like a bow-thruster on a boat).
Any new type is a REPLACEMENT for the 717 (Cobham);
The jet clause in your EBA is purely an effort to force Cobham to sharpen their pencils at contract negotiation time. QLink management NEVER intended EAA or SA to operate jets. God, they made the Q400 a space shuttle - imagine what their first jet would do to you guys.
Normasars: Don't bang your head against the wall mate. All you'll do is hurt yer head (as I do)
It's a big world out there. Like R.Cruizo wrote: If you want to fly a jet - join a company that operates them
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"You guys are obviously not aware that turbo prop pilots can't fly jets. Just check the court records, it's a proven fact!"
That's funny cause I'm pretty sure a significant number of pilots at Virgin and Cathay Pacific are ex Qantaslink...
That's funny cause I'm pretty sure a significant number of pilots at Virgin and Cathay Pacific are ex Qantaslink...
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Turboprop guys are just the ones they want...
Everybody knows that Jet pilots feature almost exclusively in Jet hull-loss accidents. You won't find many turboprop guys crashing jets into the ground!
Turboprop pilots, by CRM logic, have an excellent safety record when it comes to this old topic.
I should know, I did this course about safety and there were some very persuasive pie charts.
Everybody knows that Jet pilots feature almost exclusively in Jet hull-loss accidents. You won't find many turboprop guys crashing jets into the ground!
Turboprop pilots, by CRM logic, have an excellent safety record when it comes to this old topic.
I should know, I did this course about safety and there were some very persuasive pie charts.
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Skysook,
Sue was very tongue in cheek. He, like many of us have first hand knowledge on the not so subtle lack of progression from the QF Regionals to Mainline. I shared the same flight deck with him for a few years; top guy and operator.
The term sarcasm springs to mind.
Sue was very tongue in cheek. He, like many of us have first hand knowledge on the not so subtle lack of progression from the QF Regionals to Mainline. I shared the same flight deck with him for a few years; top guy and operator.
The term sarcasm springs to mind.
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Relax chaps
The contract with Cobham to run the 717s till 2018 is just that, a contract to run the 717s till 2018. When that arrangement was put in place Qlink was structurally not in a position to bring in jets. At the moment they could do it quite easily by utilising expertise from elsewhere in the QF group and from targeted recruiting, which if they are to put jets in in 2016 would already be happening.
Every operator had to start somewhere and no group is better resourced than QF. One thing is for sure, you will never see the J* fleet repainted white with the rat on the tail. Perhaps they'll replacebthe 717s for Cobham and use Qlink on domestic routes with something bigger???
SN
The contract with Cobham to run the 717s till 2018 is just that, a contract to run the 717s till 2018. When that arrangement was put in place Qlink was structurally not in a position to bring in jets. At the moment they could do it quite easily by utilising expertise from elsewhere in the QF group and from targeted recruiting, which if they are to put jets in in 2016 would already be happening.
Every operator had to start somewhere and no group is better resourced than QF. One thing is for sure, you will never see the J* fleet repainted white with the rat on the tail. Perhaps they'll replacebthe 717s for Cobham and use Qlink on domestic routes with something bigger???
SN
Here it is boys!! This is the future, it will go well with the 'Great Wall' utes in the car park. Start practising putonghua for the manuals though, because the english translation won't make sense!
Here's the new Chief pilot, top bloke. Apparently loves KTV, rice wine and chicken feet!
http://www.chinavitae.com/photos/xu.qiliang.2236.jpg
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Sadly, the only jets qlink people will get to fly will be the ones at virgin and tiger. There are a lot of experienced qantas pilots who will be without a job over the coming years and it only makes sense to keep that experience in house (albeit on a much lower wicket). All we can hope is that where ever the jets go, the pilot council has the balls to not get starry eyed and sell out.
Big brother usually gets first pick of the new toys anyway
Big brother usually gets first pick of the new toys anyway
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There are a lot of experienced qantas pilots who will be without a job over the coming years and it only makes sense to keep that experience in house
Tell that to the HUNDREDS of engineers been shown the door because the company values experience.
Big brother usually gets first pick of the new toys anyway
) in order to get a command because we all know what the command potential is like at QF at the moment...
Mainline's sense of entitlement over the entire group is sickening. If you want to join QLink, happy to welcome you - at the bottom of the seniority like everyone else.
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hearing whispers from some senior mainline FOs
Mainline's sense of entitlement over the entire group
There is not a sense of entitlement, there is a sense of disappointment that transfer of business is being used to erode conditions for all employees.
The desire of some to protect their own small patch of turf is an attitude that will be instrumental in reducing working conditions for all pilots in this country.
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Nunc est bibendum
I'm hearing whispers from some senior mainline FOs they want an MoU like they have with JQ, (and that's keeping up the morale of the JQ drivers! ) in order to get a command because we all know what the command potential is like at QF at the moment...
Junior mainline F/Os perhaps but they'd still be taking a decent pay cut to be a Q400 Captain.
With that in mind, I call 'bull****'. Not saying that you haven't heard the rumour, just saying that whoever started it hasn't spoken to a 'senior mainline F/O' or has a very distorted view of the world. Should also point out that PPRUNE is the first I've heard of it- not that me not hearing it doesn't make it true either but I would have heard murmurings of this one were there a shred of evidence to it.
If you want to join QLink, happy to welcome you - at the bottom of the seniority like everyone else.
So perhaps, just perhaps, this statement...
Mainline's sense of entitlement over the entire group is sickening.
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and that's where the stupidity of pay winds us all up! Especially when an SO gets business class of staff travel these days. For doing what? What is your responsibility again....
Half you SO's have probably forgotten how to land an aircraft, so you can stay where you are, logging you useless P3 time!
If it is all about the money, then this industry as a whole is certainly the wrong one to pick these days!
Half you SO's have probably forgotten how to land an aircraft, so you can stay where you are, logging you useless P3 time!
If it is all about the money, then this industry as a whole is certainly the wrong one to pick these days!
This rumour about jets for Qantaslink always seems to come up during the Qantas short haul EBA (or EA or whatever they call it this week) time. And guess what? They have just started negotiations for it. Its Qantas playing its usual tricks of one pilot body against another. It happens every time. I understand the J* EBA is up for renewal soon too. Qantaslink with narrow body jets and Airbus aircraft puts pressure on both pilot bodies during negotiations. The company just feeds the fire with rumours.
And gotta agree with Keg, there is no "sense of entitlement" in mainline, its just frustration at seeing a once proud company reduced to a shadow of its former self.....but thats another topic.
And gotta agree with Keg, there is no "sense of entitlement" in mainline, its just frustration at seeing a once proud company reduced to a shadow of its former self.....but thats another topic.