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Old 11th Oct 2012, 04:43
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Perth Airport - CEO Geatches on radio.

I managed to shut the taxi driver up long enough to hear Mr Geatches on ABC radio in Perth today.

He claims that PAPL (formerly WAC) is fully commited to building a third runway at Perth airport just as soon as TWENTY airlines that use the airport agree that one is required AND agree to pay the higher charges for use of the airport once the runway is operational. So once again it is not his fault.

He put the cost of the runway at $600 million for a 2700 metre runway parallel to 03/21. Estimated build time of FOUR years. He believes that they could begin construction late next year once agreement is reached with the airports customers.

So if they start construction late 2013 then we can look forward to using it some time early 2018 given delays due to something or other, which again will be the fault of someone other than the people that run the airport.

This from a a man who said only three months ago that the traffic at Perth airport willl decline soon as mines go into production phase having completed construction and as such a third runway would not be required until about 2025.

If anyone can get a transcript or audio file please post it as it makes interesting listening.

Looks like some quiet chats from business leaders have had an effect. Even dear old Mr Thomas seems to have seen the light and decided that there is a problem.



Airport congestion 'costs businesses dear' - The West Australian

Qantas boss backs new runway - The West Australian



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Old 11th Oct 2012, 05:17
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Meanwhile in China...
Beijing's mega-airport: bigger than Heathrow and JFK combined - Flights | hotels | frequent flyer | business class - Australian Business Traveller

They build an 8-runway, 130m pax capacity airport - starting now, complete by 2017.
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Old 11th Oct 2012, 05:42
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Must have got the idea from Brisbane Airport Corp. where they are charging airlines now for the cost and it is years before we will see a runway.
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Old 11th Oct 2012, 06:19
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Another classic example of why governments should not giveaway(read lease) national infrastructure to private enterprise.

PAPL will now hold the West Australian and Federal governments to ransom until someone gives them the money to build what is their responsibly.

Well done Liberal & Labor for this situation we now find ourselves in. Another fine mess we now find ourselves in because of inept politicians. Why don't we have another Medicare/Flood Levy to fund this.

And its a pity the land set aside for the runway now houses storage facilities for Coles & Woolworths.
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Old 11th Oct 2012, 06:49
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Airports and other national infrastracture should never be sold off...too late now i guess. I bet if Perth airport was run by the DCA or DOT, it would have a CAT 3 ILS, an International Terminal with proper docking fingers, and a third runway....and not just a huge shopping mall.

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Old 11th Oct 2012, 07:08
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The timeframe on the third runway in BNE is 8 years. 8 freakin' years! They must be kidding.
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Old 11th Oct 2012, 07:31
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and not just a huge shopping mall.
That's being a bit generous isn't it?? More like an odge podge collection of shops selling cheap junk at inflated prices. The terminals at PER are a disgrace, especially airside.
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Old 11th Oct 2012, 07:36
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Welcome to Australia. A very expensive third world country or perhaps now heading way below third world.
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Old 11th Oct 2012, 07:46
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WTF is the point of a third runway when they can't use the 2 they have ?
Gatwick UK average of 52 movements an hour with one runway, Perth 24 an hour ( as long as no cloud around ) with 2 runways. Hong Kong in the high 40s per hour with many more issues to deal with eg terrain, weather, 3 chinese airports within 15 minutes etc etc.
What happened to LAHSO ?
Why do they bother printing SIDs for RW24 when it is almost never used.
Why do they use RW21 with a 15kt x-wind/5 kt tailwind and no ILS when 03/06 are into the wind and 03 has an ILS.
If, as seems to be the case, there is a lack of staff at Perth ATC why is AA not held accountable for the 100s of 1000s they are costing airlines and mining companies ?

I managed to shut the taxi driver up long enough to hear Mr Geatches on ABC radio in Perth today.
Please don't call him mister, he is a tool, with an agenda, make as much money as possible and screw the ACTUAL purpose of an airport.

Welcome to Australia. A very expensive third world country or perhaps now heading way below third world
I would go as far as to insert " welcome to WA "
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Old 11th Oct 2012, 08:02
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Airsevices intoduce Metron Traffic Flow that seems to work in most places where it is used but not in Australia. Why?

Why are there COBT's? Surely a time to make at the feeder fix is logical. That's how they do it elsewhere. No Autralia has to invent it's own methods.
Take note. It DON'T WORK.

Fix it!!!!
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Old 11th Oct 2012, 08:49
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Well the story's changed pretty fast from 'Perth Airport doesn't need a new runway for 10 years'! It was only last year the Master Plan came out and the management were sprouting how they would double the traffic in the airport without building a runway or terminal.
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Old 11th Oct 2012, 09:09
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Yeah dunno where this new found contrition comes from....

Their old line used to remind me of "comical Ali"
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Old 11th Oct 2012, 12:02
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Originally Posted by ADBF
Gatwick UK average of 52 movements an hour with one runway, Perth 24 an hour ( as long as no cloud around ) with 2 runways
24 takeoff and landings per hour?

Originally Posted by VC9
Why are there COBT's? Surely a time to make at the feeder fix is logical.
No it's not. I dunno what they use overseas but I can tell you COBTs are a damn-sight easier to operate to than pilot-attempted feeder-fix times. Do you have any idea what is involved in getting 100-plus pax to a point in space to the minute? Do you actually understand how the system is supposed to work?
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Old 11th Oct 2012, 12:23
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And its a pity the land set aside for the runway now houses storage facilities for Coles & Woolworths
The runway would be East of these facilities on land with little current development.
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Old 11th Oct 2012, 12:46
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how far east can a new runway go? The hills are bloody close as it is.
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How far east?

Something Like this:


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Hotas,

The problem with that is it almost looks like a real airport!
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Slight thread variation, but talking about the Metron system in general....

Problem is Bloggs is that after adhereing to a COBT, wheels-up at specified time some operators are still getting between 5-25+ mins enroute holding on CAVOK days then watching the two preferred operators get track shortening plus 300KIAS on descent and we watch them fly over the top at 15nm to run the VOR as we have been sitting on our "gifted" 210KIAS for the last 50nm. We then get to sit behind them at half the speed we want to be down their vectored long final. We miss our slots, our passengers miss their connections, we suffer busted slots for the rest of the day due consequential delays due to the first sector delays, pay our fines for missing those slots, go broke and ASA get to bleat about just how much money they are saving the industry etc on their recorded on-hold phone prattle.

See the issue clearer now? It is much easier and fairer to pre-allocate a realistic feeder fix time (say 50nm from the nominated airport) and should be available half an hour before due airborne and have the aircrew have to make that time or go away until they will fit in... Makes kids sharper you might say... especially when they get the "please explain" from the boss...

That way, the only thing that would cause any extra track miles or holding would be a WX at or around the SAM/PRM's etc.

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Amazing - and there a high speed taxiways! (or rapids - who can tell). Time to get those onto 03/21??
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Old 12th Oct 2012, 02:25
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Do you have any idea what is involved in getting 100-plus pax to a point in space to the minute? Do you actually understand how the system is supposed to work?
Bloggs you are either being mischievous or plain silly. You know that even with COBT one still has to vary the speed to reach the feeder fix at the required time. It is happening so not that hard. As you know once airborn the system becomes tactical rather than strategic and aircraft are processed on receipt.

Either way this is off topic. It is the facilities at Perth airport that we are talking about. Geatches also blamed pilots and AsA for the way we use the airspace. Again, everyone elses's fault. The latest brochure I saw the other day about RUNWAY OCCUPANCY times, once again blame the pilots for taking too long to get off the runway with no high speed exits. There would only be incremental improvements if everyone trimmed their occupancy by 10%, the structural flaws would remain.
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