QF/EK Tie Up To Be Announced
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Originally Posted by midskipper
I appreciate that but you could equally hub out of Singapore, Hong Kong or Bangkok... oh wait a moment we use to do that and the best brains in the company decided it was better just to code share.
As for codeshare, I get the crew savings in terms of distances and sick cover etc but do you really have to share with BA? They always seem so miserable whenever I fly with them, to the point I actively avoid BA if at all possible.
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Hubbing out of HK was great, allowed for all sorts of shopping to be done on a stopover etc etc etc. Not so easy these days.
As for codeshare, I get the crew savings in terms of distances and sick cover etc but do you really have to share with BA? They always seem so miserable whenever I fly with them, to the point I actively avoid BA if at all possible.
As for codeshare, I get the crew savings in terms of distances and sick cover etc but do you really have to share with BA? They always seem so miserable whenever I fly with them, to the point I actively avoid BA if at all possible.
I adore Hong Kong and have tried hubbing it twice with Qantas. The first time we got dumped onto a BA Jumbosaurus from HKG to LHR with dodgy aircon and several non-working toilets. It was full to the extent that there seemed to be passengers allocated to overhead locker bins. The crew did try their best but it was an endurance marathon for everyone concerned.
The second trip was a QF codeshare with CX who were good when we finally bullied our way onto the aircraft, but the transfer process was like something out of a Medicare office. Long queue, shut counter, passenger faces filled with hopelessness...Chekhov could have written a play about it.
On both occasions the Qantas legs were reasonably good (despite the usual confusion about Qantas' Higgs Bosun-like special meals; they theoretically exist, but have not yet been observed by reliable witnesses
) but the hassles were not worth the effort. It's easier (and often cheaper) to fly with someone else, and that's the whole Qantas problem.
On what basis would EK be granted the rights to operate on the Pacific? The Aust Govt holds the key,and I'm fairly sure that Virgin would hardly give such a proposal their tick of approval.
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Originally Posted by 1a
So what's in it for EK? Am I the only person a bit suspicious about a rumour that makes little sense?
Yep, my bet would be that the tie up would mean Emirates has a ready made domestic feeder in Australia and New Zealand. Both these populations spend a lot of money on international travel and are also massive tourist markets. Unlike most other countries (UK etc.) Emirates is very limited in which airports it can fly into. In the UK, Emirates flys from LHR, LGW, BHX, NCL, MAN, EDI, GLW etc.. they don't need the feeder network as they fly from the regions.
This isn't possible in Australasia due to our poor regional facilities. in return for giving Qantas international a few concessions on a few routes they will gain an entire domestic network. Trust me, if this does happen there must be a big up side for Emirates as they are not renound for doing anything out of the goodness of their hearts.
This isn't possible in Australasia due to our poor regional facilities. in return for giving Qantas international a few concessions on a few routes they will gain an entire domestic network. Trust me, if this does happen there must be a big up side for Emirates as they are not renound for doing anything out of the goodness of their hearts.
The thing that doesn't add up for me is that one of Emirates' core strategy is that they do it all by themselves, without alliances. If they were to break this, is the Australian domestic market really the gold mine they would first pounce to?
I'm still not convinced EK would be interested unless QF gives them something in the deal as a big sweetener!
I'm still not convinced EK would be interested unless QF gives them something in the deal as a big sweetener!
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QF International will Disappear Temporarily
Emirates has the domestic market it has long craved:Australia and the Qantas domestic Network.More and more of QFs international routes will be ceded to Jeststar.A code share will be developed between Emirates and Jetstar.Once financial consolidation is in place Jetstar will be repainted in Red and White.Qantas international reborn,massive ad campaign and all with a 20%lower cost base
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Emirates has the domestic market it has long craved:Australia and the Qantas domestic Network.
Yep, my bet would be that the tie up would mean Emirates has a ready made domestic feeder in Australia and New Zealand. Both these populations spend a lot of money on international travel and are also massive tourist markets.
Is it worth it to EK to get access to the other 8 million.
short flights long nights
EK would not tolerate thier ticket holders ending up on a Jetstar flight, in my opinion at least. It would go against everything they market and thier brand image. And they are very very protective of the brand.
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I think you are all looking at this backwards.
As pointed out, EK flies everywhere already. It won't be people buying tickets on Emirates and ending up on a Jetstar flight- it will be people buying tickets on Qantas and ending up on an Emirates flight.
Isn't this the management dream? They get to lower their cost base (down to EK's) by not having an airline at all. They just sell the tickets, and EK provides the actual airline.
As pointed out, EK flies everywhere already. It won't be people buying tickets on Emirates and ending up on a Jetstar flight- it will be people buying tickets on Qantas and ending up on an Emirates flight.
Isn't this the management dream? They get to lower their cost base (down to EK's) by not having an airline at all. They just sell the tickets, and EK provides the actual airline.
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Originally Posted by SOPS
EK would not tolerate thier ticket holders ending up on a Jetstar flight, in my opinion at least. It would go against everything they market and thier brand image. And they are very very protective of the brand.
But think about this - QF domestic fliers hate Jetstar, that's why they fly QF international expecting top shelf service. Rightly or wrongly QF International is reportedly not making cash so the QF board engages Emirates to deploy their brand and associated reputation for ultra top end levels of quality and service which gives the QF feeder network from domestic a truly top end international product to feed into.
QF gets cheaper international links, EK gets feed in from QF domestic and everyone wins.
Unless you happen to work for QF International.
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Originally Posted by ferris
Isn't this the management dream? They get to lower their cost base (down to EK's) by not having an airline at all. They just sell the tickets, and EK provides the actual airline.
Who has the reputation for being the current global leader in top shelf international flying?
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Originally Posted by VE
I can't wait to see AJ try and throw his weight around in those rarified aviation circles. TC will eat him for breakfast.
Punters get to fly Emirates and QF domestic so they win.
Bad luck if you happen to be QF International employee though.
You're going to need to get to EK standards very quickly or the press release will soon be "due to customers preference clearly being for Emirates flights Qantas have decided to meet this demand by engaging more closely with their partner, Emirates, and have decided that in order to meet customer demand all Qantas International flights will be provided by Emirates".
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Originally Posted by Cap'nG
Why would I come down to Emirates standards?
If you're referring to Qantas then you might wish to consider that de nile isn't just a river in Egypt.
