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Jetstar accused of underpaying cabin crew.

Old 28th May 2012, 21:41
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Jetstar accused of underpaying cabin crew.

If they can get away with doing it to cabin crew, they will do it to pilots and engineers. That much is clear.

It appears that large chunks of Australina business are following a "No Australian Need Apply" hiring policy.

The staffing model seems to be:

1. Operate through agencies so as to maintain "plausible deniability" in regard to their oppressive contract conditions. Actual wages and benefits (leave, superannuation, maternity, age discrimination, dismissal, etc.) are a matter for the agencies, not the airline.

2. Hire foreign staff, preferably from at least Three different countries, so as to ensure that they cannot organise due to national distrust. Mixing Chinese and Vietnamese would be a good start since they have historical and current antipathies. Add some Malaysians and Indonesians to taste.

3. Ensure that contract dates are not synchronised, thus ensuring a constant coming and going of staff so that relationship development, and hence the possibility of organisation, is further reduced.

4. Ensure that all staff know, or at least suspect, that contract renewal will not happen if there is any criticism of management, work practices, or working conditions.

This is the desired business model for the mining industry and now of course Qantas.


Jetstar is being taken to court for allegedly underpaying cabin crew that were recruited in Thailand.

The eight crew members are allegedly being paid less than half of what they are entitled to when they work on domestic routes in Australia.

The Fair Work Ombudsman began taking action in the Federal Court on Friday for the workers, but says it may take action for up to 300 international cabin crew rostered on Jetstar's domestic routes.

Two Asian companies which recruit staff for Jetstar - Valuair and Tour East - are facing court over the matter.

Both companies are part owned by Qantas.

The ombudsman is seeking to have the eight staff reimbursed at least $7,500 they are owed in back pay.

It is also seeking penalties against Jetstar.................more at the link
Jetstar accused of underpaying cabin crew - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

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Old 28th May 2012, 22:30
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The fish rots from the head down. For these sorts of despicable acts you need to look no further than the leadership of J* from the very beginning. I can't believe the media see him as such a pin up boy.
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Old 28th May 2012, 22:44
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Divide and conquer, pure and simple.

It amazes me that people still can't see the game, the media is owned by those who seek to exploit everything and as such will distort, alter, imagine or otherwise do whatever it takes to spin whatever they want us to believe.

You only have to think back to last year to see how the pilots & engineers 'dispute' was portrayed by the media, we knew right from wrong there, but how many of us got into arguments with people outside the industry over it, imagine the liberties they take with every other news item.
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Old 29th May 2012, 01:08
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cabin crew 300
underpayment $7,500
$2,250,000
someone will need an urgent restructure to the tems of their bonus
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Old 29th May 2012, 02:04
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Plus the FWA imposed fine up to a maximum of $33,000 per breach.

300 x $33,000 = $9.9m

......plus legal costs in defending!!

If FWA let them off the hook with the fines they will be a laughing stock and will open the door for all companies to think this sort of attitude to legislation is acceptable. IT IS NOT!!

...What about the immigration angle on all this. Chris Bowen and his department is very quiet on this one.

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Old 29th May 2012, 04:24
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Does anybody know if Asian based cabin crew have to pay oz tax if they operate domestic sectors?
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Old 29th May 2012, 04:45
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No. They r wholly paid by their contract company and pay tax in their country of origin. Las for Jq claims-I know factually that they do position foreign crew in oz for up to 5 days at a time to operate wholly domestic legs. Ie darwin-mel-Darwin. They also use the same crews ex Perth for days at a time. These Perth legs are international flts but the crew flt per-sin per or per-cgk-per for 5 days
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They also use the same crews ex Perth for days at a time. These Perth legs are international flts but the crew flt per-sin per or per-cgk-per for 5 days
Operated by JetstarAsia (3K)... different regos,flight numbers,call signs,uniforms et al.
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Yes but same foreign crew being based in oz for a week out of Perth
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Old 29th May 2012, 08:19
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Surely United doesn't have to employ Australian crew to operate SYD-MEL-SYD!
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Old 29th May 2012, 08:42
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No united don't, but they don't pick up domestic passengers that never flew on the original leg either to or from the us.

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Old 29th May 2012, 09:13
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I thought the problem with this JQ setup was that SIN - DRW was classified and arrived at the International part of the terminal in DRW, then had a different flight number as a purely domestic flight on DRW - MEL - DRW. It may have been the same aircraft, but used two flight numbers.

Where as QF or Australian Airlines when they operated SIN - DRW - CNS was classed as an international flight and used the same flight number the whole way through.

I'm happy to be corrected if this is not how it is or was.
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...What about the immigration angle on all this. Chris Bowen and his department is very quiet on this one.
yeah what's the deal with the special purpose visas and who's monitoring these to ensure compliance??
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Jetstar is relying on the crew travel authority issued by Diac however this is for international crew operating flights into and out of Australia to cover them legally for their stopover.

The CTA does not confer work privileges whilst they are here!!

Diac defines work as any activity that would normally attract remuneration. ie steal an Australian job!!

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I know NZ based LH CC were also doing this time of flying. Would the same situation apply?
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Old 30th May 2012, 00:32
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I'm glad to see FWA are taking action on this, the dogs have been barking about it for yonks now.
Yes but same foreign crew being based in oz for a week out of Perth
That's simply a racket. It's not even a case of getting the aircraft to and fro from Singapore and making a few bucks on the way by picking up domestic pax.

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Old 30th May 2012, 01:01
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I know NZ based LH CC were also doing this time of flying. Would the same situation apply?
Nz citizens have automatic work privileges (and the right to reside) in Australia under the TTMRA.

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Old 30th May 2012, 01:44
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But,unfortunatley for Jetstar, who appear to be the modern day equivalent of the sort who send children up chimneys
Uncle Fester = Gamfield (Oliver Twist)???

Its slightly off topic, but very funny!!

'It's a nasty trade,' said Mr. Limbkins, when Gamfield had again
stated his wish.

'Young boys have been smothered in chimneys before now,' said
another gentleman.

'That's acause they damped the straw afore they lit it in the
chimbley to make 'em come down again,' said Gamfield; 'that's all
smoke, and no blaze; vereas smoke ain't o' no use at all in
making a boy come down, for it only sinds him to sleep, and
that's wot he likes. Boys is wery obstinit, and wery lazy,
Gen'l'men, and there's nothink like a good hot blaze to make 'em
come down vith a run. It's humane too, gen'l'men, acause, even
if they've stuck in the chimbley, roasting their feet makes 'em
struggle to hextricate theirselves.'


Could that be from an official Jetstar management contract
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Thanks kelpie... thought that was the case... (doesn't make it right though...)
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NZ citizens have the right to work in Australia under NZ terms and conditions? No superannuation etc etc?

I don't think it's that simple.
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