Jetstar accused of underpaying cabin crew.
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The NZ LH cabin crew Capt Kremin is talking about are employed under New Zealand conditions.
They fly them into Australia as passengers, put them up in hotels, operate them around the network and then passenger them back to NZ from Australia.
They fly them into Australia as passengers, put them up in hotels, operate them around the network and then passenger them back to NZ from Australia.
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If that is true then the cabin crew should make themselves known to FWA as it will strengthen the 'arms length' element of the case against Jetstar considerably.
There may even be a nice bit of back pay coming and further breaches for jetstar to pay the fine for.
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There may even be a nice bit of back pay coming and further breaches for jetstar to pay the fine for.
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So they're not even doing the legs in and out of NZ. They're just cheap foreign labour being FIFOd in and out of Australia to save paying Australian wages and conditions. Isn't this what all the Pilbara fuss has been about?
J-star are just despicable.
J-star are just despicable.
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But that's not all....
The F/As to which Kremin refers are actually NZ-based Qantas F/As. 
Since early May QF longhaul aircraft no longer fly from Auckland to anywhere (ie LAX or SYD/BNE/MEL) so all the AKL-based crew (who are A330 and 747 rated only) have supposedly been offered transfers to Perth and other Oz bases but, in the interim, they have evidently been flying rosters which pax into OZ in order to operate QF longhaul services from Oz.
It doesn't sound a whole lot different to what J has done. The plot thickens?
Since early May QF longhaul aircraft no longer fly from Auckland to anywhere (ie LAX or SYD/BNE/MEL) so all the AKL-based crew (who are A330 and 747 rated only) have supposedly been offered transfers to Perth and other Oz bases but, in the interim, they have evidently been flying rosters which pax into OZ in order to operate QF longhaul services from Oz.
It doesn't sound a whole lot different to what J has done. The plot thickens?
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Wow, I didn't think the root cause of Unlce Festers departure would start to surface so soon! Dodgy employment practices, senate inquiries, fatigue, FWA enquiries, incidents, it's all unraveling, no wonder Uncle Fester bailed?
Another reason they have replaced Uncle Fester with a lass, to try and soften the blow of incessant scrutiny.
Tsk tsk Mr Fester, it will take more than that old chestnut to fool some of us. At this rate if the Senators have their way they will be squeezing her plums also!
Another reason they have replaced Uncle Fester with a lass, to try and soften the blow of incessant scrutiny.
Tsk tsk Mr Fester, it will take more than that old chestnut to fool some of us. At this rate if the Senators have their way they will be squeezing her plums also!
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I met a QF hostie the other day while on staff travel - she was also NZ based telling me she regularly does trips as detailed above (pax to syd then Dfw/sin/joburg etc), however she is NOT employed by qantas as someone mentioned above, she (and I guess all/most?) is employed by Jetconnect - true story. So looks like QF are doing the same illegal deal as JQ - bring in foreign crew employed by external company and work them from oz, then send them home - foreign pay/conditions/no oz tax/etc etc etc!
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All this and the Rinehart fiasco under the watch of a Labour government. I think they may have underestimated the feelings of their support base on these issues.
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Govt should prosecute Jetstar: union
AAP
May 30, 2012 4:07PM
THE government should prosecute Qantas for illegally allowing Thai crew to work on domestic Jetstar flights, the transport union says.
The Transport Workers Union (TWU) says the airline has breached Australian Immigration Law amid claims it employed Thai cabin crew to work on domestic routes within Australia for less than $AU400 per month.
Last Friday, the Fair Work Ombudsman lodged a statement in the Federal Court claiming Jetstar owed thousands of dollars in back pay to eight Thai crew who had been working on domestic routes.
Jetstar could not immediately be contacted for comment but on Monday denied using overseas crews for purely domestic flights.
TWU national secretary Tony Sheldon dismissed Jetstar's denial as "a joke" and called for Immigration Minister Chris Bowen to take legal action against the airline.
"This company ... will not take the responsibility that it should," he told reporters in Sydney.
"(Chris Bowen) has a responsibility to the Australian community to prosecute Qantas for breaches of the Immigration Act and allowing those workers to be exploited in this country."
The ombudsman's case against Jetstar has been listed for a directions hearing in the Federal Court in Sydney on August 17.
In addition to back pay for eight Thai workers the ombudsman is seeking to ban the practice of employing overseas workers at lower than Australian rates of pay and conditions.
AAP was continuing to seek comment from Jetstar.
AAP
May 30, 2012 4:07PM
THE government should prosecute Qantas for illegally allowing Thai crew to work on domestic Jetstar flights, the transport union says.
The Transport Workers Union (TWU) says the airline has breached Australian Immigration Law amid claims it employed Thai cabin crew to work on domestic routes within Australia for less than $AU400 per month.
Last Friday, the Fair Work Ombudsman lodged a statement in the Federal Court claiming Jetstar owed thousands of dollars in back pay to eight Thai crew who had been working on domestic routes.
Jetstar could not immediately be contacted for comment but on Monday denied using overseas crews for purely domestic flights.
TWU national secretary Tony Sheldon dismissed Jetstar's denial as "a joke" and called for Immigration Minister Chris Bowen to take legal action against the airline.
"This company ... will not take the responsibility that it should," he told reporters in Sydney.
"(Chris Bowen) has a responsibility to the Australian community to prosecute Qantas for breaches of the Immigration Act and allowing those workers to be exploited in this country."
The ombudsman's case against Jetstar has been listed for a directions hearing in the Federal Court in Sydney on August 17.
In addition to back pay for eight Thai workers the ombudsman is seeking to ban the practice of employing overseas workers at lower than Australian rates of pay and conditions.
AAP was continuing to seek comment from Jetstar.
The silence from Bowen is deafening especially given the number of calls made on this subject to the immigration dob in line.
Maybe there is nothing to investigate, maybe there was a Reinhart type deal done with the Qantas Group that has been hushed up?
I think it is time for Mr Bowen to explain it all to us.
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"Is it out of a genuine desire to please the shareholders with increased profits, or are the management just a pack of callous a**holes intent on enriching themselves by any nefarious means possible."
Without a doubt the later.
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Is it true that some of the JQ domestic "tag flights" have been given more conventional 3 digit domestic flight numbers to further confuse?
Be interesting to see which of these "domestic" sectors still use the international database for weight and balance and use foreign crew.
Be interesting to see which of these "domestic" sectors still use the international database for weight and balance and use foreign crew.
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Australia is just starting to feel the financial paralysis that is gripping Europe and America. We have been watching it coming for a few years.
By the time this crisis is fully developed, it will be unthinkable for ANY foreigner to work in Australia while there is an able bodied Australian ready to do the same job.
Jetstar is well behind the curve on this issue, as is Qantas, as is Gina Rhinehart. You may have heard Gillard at a Canberra mining conference this week asserting that ALL Australians own this countrys natural resources and they WILL get a share.
Believe me, Gillard is a moderate at present. There are nationalistic forces stirring - kicking out illegal immigrants, stopping immigration and closing mines if necessary to push the dollar down and keep Eastern state Australians in jobs are some of the ideas being pushed.
Twiggy Forrest and John Borghetti are Two business leaders who are ahead of the curve on this matter.
To put that another way - watch the greens increased vote at the next election. They are going to take away Labors left wing voters thanks to Craig Thompson, Bowen, Shorten, Fergussen and the like.
By the time this crisis is fully developed, it will be unthinkable for ANY foreigner to work in Australia while there is an able bodied Australian ready to do the same job.
Jetstar is well behind the curve on this issue, as is Qantas, as is Gina Rhinehart. You may have heard Gillard at a Canberra mining conference this week asserting that ALL Australians own this countrys natural resources and they WILL get a share.
Believe me, Gillard is a moderate at present. There are nationalistic forces stirring - kicking out illegal immigrants, stopping immigration and closing mines if necessary to push the dollar down and keep Eastern state Australians in jobs are some of the ideas being pushed.
Twiggy Forrest and John Borghetti are Two business leaders who are ahead of the curve on this matter.
To put that another way - watch the greens increased vote at the next election. They are going to take away Labors left wing voters thanks to Craig Thompson, Bowen, Shorten, Fergussen and the like.
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And Katter will poach from Labor's right. CFMEU members were reportedly manning booths for the KAP in Central Queensland at the recent state election.
Apparently they were getting a fair bit of interest from the work boot / hi viz brigade, who are feeling very ignored by Gillard's Labor.
Apparently they were getting a fair bit of interest from the work boot / hi viz brigade, who are feeling very ignored by Gillard's Labor.
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