John holland incident?
XFC or D??
Ta.............
Sounds like the cheap option!!! A few flight crew will look at that a bit harder when it's back online..
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Was there any mention of JHAS towing te aircraft? No, Menzies was, however there is a dispute as to whose fault it actually is...and if you are sure about the XFC incident, how about you set the story straight?
Was there any mention of JHAS towing te aircraft?
No but this is in a thread titled "John Holland Incident". I hate to put 2 and 2 together but by its inclusion in this thread it suggests that John Holland was fully or at least partly responsible for the damage...
No but this is in a thread titled "John Holland Incident". I hate to put 2 and 2 together but by its inclusion in this thread it suggests that John Holland was fully or at least partly responsible for the damage...
Towing incidents can have many factors.
Was the stationary aircraft parked in the correct spot? Was the area clearly marked with lead in lines, and wingtip clearance lines?
Was there a wing walker? Did he have proper means to communicate to the tug driver? Were the wing walkers employed by a different company, and therefore may have had different set of signals to communicate to the driver with?
Speaking of the tug driver, was he hooked up forwards or backwards? This can make a big difference for situational awareness and visibility. Some companies SOPs state that tugs are always to be hooked up facing the aircraft under tow when towing near hangars / other aircraft / tight parking spots. Does the company in question have such rules?
Was there someone riding brakes? (News report said there was nobody on board but I assume they mean passengers) Could the wingtip in question be seen from the A330 cockpit, and if so could they have prevented the incident if they were watching?
Was the stationary aircraft parked in the correct spot? Was the area clearly marked with lead in lines, and wingtip clearance lines?
Was there a wing walker? Did he have proper means to communicate to the tug driver? Were the wing walkers employed by a different company, and therefore may have had different set of signals to communicate to the driver with?
Speaking of the tug driver, was he hooked up forwards or backwards? This can make a big difference for situational awareness and visibility. Some companies SOPs state that tugs are always to be hooked up facing the aircraft under tow when towing near hangars / other aircraft / tight parking spots. Does the company in question have such rules?
Was there someone riding brakes? (News report said there was nobody on board but I assume they mean passengers) Could the wingtip in question be seen from the A330 cockpit, and if so could they have prevented the incident if they were watching?
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Brand New Virgin A330 hit JQ in MEL
News.com.au are reporting that a brand new Virgin A330 whilst being towed hit a Jetstar aircraft. Anyone know any details?
Virgin Australia's new A330s collide while under tow on runway ahead of official launch | News.com.au
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Virgin Australia's new A330s collide while under tow on runway ahead of official launch | News.com.au
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There is no correct position or any lines.
No wing walkers.
Nose away from aircraft, and any towing with JHAS has a brake rider and someone on headset in the tug.
No wing walkers.
Nose away from aircraft, and any towing with JHAS has a brake rider and someone on headset in the tug.
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I find it funny that QF/JQ are happy to send their aircraft to other facilities where the procedures for things like towing or tank entry have lower procedural standards than their own base.
So if JHAS/Menzies don't use wing walkers or have tow lines and QF/JQ allowed their aircraft to be maintained there, then it is also a failure of QF/JQ management for not performing the necessary risk assessments prior to sending the work to the lowest bidder.
And this isn't the first time Virgin aircraft have had issues whilst under going maintenance at JHAS. A few years ago they were one more incident away from losing the Virgin work. I wonder if they have now crossed that line.
So if JHAS/Menzies don't use wing walkers or have tow lines and QF/JQ allowed their aircraft to be maintained there, then it is also a failure of QF/JQ management for not performing the necessary risk assessments prior to sending the work to the lowest bidder.
And this isn't the first time Virgin aircraft have had issues whilst under going maintenance at JHAS. A few years ago they were one more incident away from losing the Virgin work. I wonder if they have now crossed that line.
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The wing tip of the aircraft was slightly damaged, as was the cone top of the Jetstar aircraft, also an A330.
Another piece of masterful journalism.
What exactly is a "cone top"?
Another piece of masterful journalism.
What exactly is a "cone top"?
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Irrespective of who was to blame for this accident, I was under the impression the MRO must have procedures inplace for ground handling the operators aircraft .
If this is correct, were procedures being followed ?
If this is correct, were procedures being followed ?
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If this is correct, were procedures being followed ?
They didn't even supply enough staff for the tow.
As you would expect, there were no wing walkers.
