Qantas to reduce heavy maintenance labour by 60%
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Rabbit on the runway got gobbled up into the left engine during take-off roll. Air turn back. No biggy. Blades bent and acoustic lining damaged. **** happens.
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(Thread drift....):
MOA999: 'We will be left with a small third party aircraft maintenance industry, but then we won't have an oil refining industry, a steel processing industry, a garment manufacturing industry... just mining... dig it up and ship it out'
There's always a career in aged care....I'll look after you....
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'Be not the first by which the new are tried;
Be not the first by which the old are set aside.'
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MOA999: 'We will be left with a small third party aircraft maintenance industry, but then we won't have an oil refining industry, a steel processing industry, a garment manufacturing industry... just mining... dig it up and ship it out'
There's always a career in aged care....I'll look after you....
Jack Ranga: 'Note: never buy the first model of anything'
A saying, variously worded, comes to mind:
'Be not the first by which the new are tried;
Be not the first by which the old are set aside.'
('Destination Disaster- The story of the DC10'- Eddie/Page/Potter, circa 1976)
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EOI period doesn't end till the 25th. Then the consideration stage. If there's less volunteers than packages, one would expect all volunteers to get their package then the consideration be given to who gets tapped.
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WTF is wrong with the moderators on this site?
These two threads have nothing to do with each other.
The redundancies have nothing to do with Heavy Maintenance. Why not just let the thread run it's course or is it just because it's not a pilot issue.
These two threads have nothing to do with each other.
The redundancies have nothing to do with Heavy Maintenance. Why not just let the thread run it's course or is it just because it's not a pilot issue.
1. Thread drift is not previously unknown on PPRuNe.
2. If a reduction in Australian maintenance capacity is somehow not relevant to redundancies, then for what other reason are there redundancies? Do tell us, J-A-1. Or maybe you need to put in an appropriate smilie to let us dumb pilots know you are really being sarcastic. e.g.
AJ and the executive coterie are the only people who spruik the lack of connection between a decline in capacity and a need to reduce the workforce. To everyone else, it appears self evident.
2. If a reduction in Australian maintenance capacity is somehow not relevant to redundancies, then for what other reason are there redundancies? Do tell us, J-A-1. Or maybe you need to put in an appropriate smilie to let us dumb pilots know you are really being sarcastic. e.g.
AJ and the executive coterie are the only people who spruik the lack of connection between a decline in capacity and a need to reduce the workforce. To everyone else, it appears self evident.
AJ and the executive coterie are the only people who spruik the lack of connection between a decline in capacity and a need to reduce the workforce. To everyone else, it appears self evident.
Arnold, I am saying - there seems to be 100% connection between engineer redundancies and a downsizing of QF maintenance capacity.
Mr Joyce [and apparently Jet A1] are the only people who seem to think there is no connection -it's just a weird coincidence or something - even when clearly and self evidently Australian jobs ARE being lost.
Mr Joyce [and apparently Jet A1] are the only people who seem to think there is no connection -it's just a weird coincidence or something - even when clearly and self evidently Australian jobs ARE being lost.
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The current redundacies have nothing to do with heavy maintenance.More about a reduction in wide bodies, next it will be MOD and finally it will be heavy. Oh and don't forget the loss of those troublesome customer airlines. Muppets!
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I think you'll find the 2nd thread was about the redundancies in Line Maintenance (mostly in SAM and other domestic line stations). There are currently no redundancies in Heavy Maintenance (Tulla, Avv or Bris). If you put down your PA mic down long enough and listen to those that are actually effected you might learn something Captain.
Being made redundant is a fairly big deal to those faced with it and a lot of engineers view this site for info.
Being made redundant is a fairly big deal to those faced with it and a lot of engineers view this site for info.
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and Google "thread drift" while you're at it and explain to me how it relates to the few posts of the 2nd thread... It was the other thread, that had no replys for over a week, that was drifting Captain.
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Well. I'm in Heavy Maint Melbourne, and we all know we are about to be closed down - about 400 LAMEs and AMEs will be made redundant.....
Amazing thing is people are still doing great work and getting things done, all the time knowing they will be out of work in a few months.
At one of the last meetings, Management congratulated the people who worked on the 737 Window frame replacement - a big, big job.
They remarked that on our first time, we had done it in 9 days, yet the typical time was 14 days...........
Doesn't mean a thing though.......we will still be shut down.........
Amazing thing is people are still doing great work and getting things done, all the time knowing they will be out of work in a few months.
At one of the last meetings, Management congratulated the people who worked on the 737 Window frame replacement - a big, big job.
They remarked that on our first time, we had done it in 9 days, yet the typical time was 14 days...........
Doesn't mean a thing though.......we will still be shut down.........
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Albeit in the context of an approaching state election in Queensland, an interesting take on the Heavy Maintenance Question in the Courier Mail Today.......
Sadly, from this article it would appear Tulla is dead.
A mistake of monumental proportions.
However, IF Avalon comes to the fore of managerial thinking, hopefully some of the vast 737 expertise that is currently there may not be totally lost.
400 jobs on the line in Qantas overhaul in Brisbane
by: Darrell Giles From: The Sunday Mail (Qld) March 18, 2012 12:00AM
BRISBANE is looking increasingly likely to lose its Qantas heavy maintenance operations and 400 jobs in major restructuring by the national air carrier.
Only a month ago, union bosses tipped a purpose-built facility at Brisbane Airport to be chosen as the sole survivor of a plan to reduce maintenance facilities across the country from three to one.
But sources told The Sunday Mail Qantas was now leaning towards consolidation at Avalon, Victoria. A final decision is expected in late April.
A move to Victoria would be a blow to the Sunshine State after the unemployment rate jumped from 5.4 to 5.7 per cent in February, reflecting significant turbulence in the local retail, manufacturing and banking industries.
The rate was 0.5 per cent above the national average.
Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce announced a review of the heavy maintenance facilities last month after a big plunge in profits for the airline - an 83 per cent drop down to $42 million.
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"There is simply not enough heavy maintenance work to justify the three facilities in Melbourne, Brisbane and Avalon," Mr Joyce said.
"Do we need to go to two or go to one? We can't maintain all three."
In its two-month review, Qantas has considered:
* Consolidation into Melbourne.
* Consolidation into Avalon.
* Consolidation into Brisbane.
* Consolidation into the Brisbane facility, with Boeing 747s maintained in Avalon.
* Boeing 737s maintained in Brisbane, Boeing 747s and 767s in Avalon.
Brisbane's multi-million-dollar heavy maintenance facility was completed in 2005 to service Qantas's Boeing 767 and Airbus A330 fleet.
The Melbourne option has all but been ruled out because it has the oldest facility, built in 1970, and it has narrow-body hangars for Boeing 737s. Big money would have to be spent to fit the wide-body fleet.
A Qantas spokesman said yesterday the operations would remain in Australia and not move offshore.
by: Darrell Giles From: The Sunday Mail (Qld) March 18, 2012 12:00AM
BRISBANE is looking increasingly likely to lose its Qantas heavy maintenance operations and 400 jobs in major restructuring by the national air carrier.
Only a month ago, union bosses tipped a purpose-built facility at Brisbane Airport to be chosen as the sole survivor of a plan to reduce maintenance facilities across the country from three to one.
But sources told The Sunday Mail Qantas was now leaning towards consolidation at Avalon, Victoria. A final decision is expected in late April.
A move to Victoria would be a blow to the Sunshine State after the unemployment rate jumped from 5.4 to 5.7 per cent in February, reflecting significant turbulence in the local retail, manufacturing and banking industries.
The rate was 0.5 per cent above the national average.
Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce announced a review of the heavy maintenance facilities last month after a big plunge in profits for the airline - an 83 per cent drop down to $42 million.
Jobs go as Qantas profit plummets
Hundreds of Qantas jobs up in the air
Premier Bligh flags legal action over Qantas jobs
"There is simply not enough heavy maintenance work to justify the three facilities in Melbourne, Brisbane and Avalon," Mr Joyce said.
"Do we need to go to two or go to one? We can't maintain all three."
In its two-month review, Qantas has considered:
* Consolidation into Melbourne.
* Consolidation into Avalon.
* Consolidation into Brisbane.
* Consolidation into the Brisbane facility, with Boeing 747s maintained in Avalon.
* Boeing 737s maintained in Brisbane, Boeing 747s and 767s in Avalon.
Brisbane's multi-million-dollar heavy maintenance facility was completed in 2005 to service Qantas's Boeing 767 and Airbus A330 fleet.
The Melbourne option has all but been ruled out because it has the oldest facility, built in 1970, and it has narrow-body hangars for Boeing 737s. Big money would have to be spent to fit the wide-body fleet.
A Qantas spokesman said yesterday the operations would remain in Australia and not move offshore.
Sadly, from this article it would appear Tulla is dead.
A mistake of monumental proportions.However, IF Avalon comes to the fore of managerial thinking, hopefully some of the vast 737 expertise that is currently there may not be totally lost.
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Woolcott it is not amazing, its professionalism.It is not found thru all areas within Q sadly.
As for which base survives, I would expect considerable inter state bargaining to go on and let's say 'strategically released rumours' to the effect that one or the other has the inside running to create tension in any unofficial interstate bidding process. I think in the end it will be a cluster ^%# that will cost jobs and expertise. You cant buy or put price on having a vast knowledge base to draw on.
As for which base survives, I would expect considerable inter state bargaining to go on and let's say 'strategically released rumours' to the effect that one or the other has the inside running to create tension in any unofficial interstate bidding process. I think in the end it will be a cluster ^%# that will cost jobs and expertise. You cant buy or put price on having a vast knowledge base to draw on.
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At one of the last meetings, Management congratulated the people who worked on
the 737 Window frame replacement - a big, big job.
They remarked that on
our first time, we had done it in 9 days, yet the typical time was 14
days...........
the 737 Window frame replacement - a big, big job.
They remarked that on
our first time, we had done it in 9 days, yet the typical time was 14
days...........
Other operator now only doing double frame replacements