BIG Announcement coming from QF?
Well said Teresa Green
. What is going on in this country out of sight is a disgrace. the train wreck coming in the economy is going to shock many younger people who have never seen a nasty recession like 1974. Its coming and it will hurt a lot of unprepared people.
. What is going on in this country out of sight is a disgrace. the train wreck coming in the economy is going to shock many younger people who have never seen a nasty recession like 1974. Its coming and it will hurt a lot of unprepared people.
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Teresa,
Kudos to you sir for the work you do for our suffering aged pensioners who have worked all their lives in this country and contributed to the social fabric of our society, and are now shunned by this absolute rabble and disgrace of a government.
In the mean time, let's all put out the big welcome mat for all the illegals and reward them with a start up grant of $10k and then put a roof over their heads to boot. This country is drowning in welfare and the taxpayers of this great land have a gun at their heads.
This is all going to end in tears; big tears and soon.
Make like the Boy Scouts motto; "Be Prepared"
Kudos to you sir for the work you do for our suffering aged pensioners who have worked all their lives in this country and contributed to the social fabric of our society, and are now shunned by this absolute rabble and disgrace of a government.
In the mean time, let's all put out the big welcome mat for all the illegals and reward them with a start up grant of $10k and then put a roof over their heads to boot. This country is drowning in welfare and the taxpayers of this great land have a gun at their heads.
This is all going to end in tears; big tears and soon.
Make like the Boy Scouts motto; "Be Prepared"
all put out the big welcome mat for all the illegals
It's a popular misconception but boat people are not illegals as they come seeking asylum. The real 'illegals' are those who enter through our primary airports, overstay their visae, and then take jobs from Australians. It is this latter group against whom officialdom and society generally should be railing.
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Off topic I know but if you are referring to the asylum seekers who travel to Australia on ricketty boats, they are not 'illegals' as so many think and secribe especially the shock jocks and tabloid TV and newspapers.
It's a popular misconception but boat people are not illegals as they come seeking asylum. The real 'illegals' are those who enter through our primary airports, overstay their visae, and then take jobs from Australians. It is this latter group against whom officialdom and society generally should be railing.
It's a popular misconception but boat people are not illegals as they come seeking asylum. The real 'illegals' are those who enter through our primary airports, overstay their visae, and then take jobs from Australians. It is this latter group against whom officialdom and society generally should be railing.
Either way, they are sucking up welfare that Australians have no access to, and the way things are going, we may all need the welfare to keep newly unemployed people going. Jobs are going offshore and companies are being shut down or downsized. We simply cannot keep going the way we are going. Greece II looks like it can and probably will happen here.
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Commentary by the super coach!
Off topic I know but if you are referring to the asylum seekers who travel to Australia on ricketty boats, they are not 'illegals' as so many think and secribe especially the shock jocks and tabloid TV and newspapers.
It's a popular misconception but boat people are not illegals as they come seeking asylum. The real 'illegals' are those who enter through our primary airports, overstay their visae, and then take jobs from Australians. It is this latter group against whom officialdom and society generally should be railing.
It's a popular misconception but boat people are not illegals as they come seeking asylum. The real 'illegals' are those who enter through our primary airports, overstay their visae, and then take jobs from Australians. It is this latter group against whom officialdom and society generally should be railing.
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Right on 94, jeez it pi$$es me off when I see our own, struggling like they do, it really pi$$es me off. One of these days I am going to take their kero lamps and drive to CBR and show those useless bastards what is happening to our own people. Sorry about the diversion Mods, but put it this way, up here on the Goldie a bunch of Pilots, Engineers, and CC have a beer every friday night at one of the surf clubs, we call ourselves "the don't get us started party" Here we solve the problems of QF, JQ, Virgin, all regionals, and the govt. It would be advisable for Joyce never to show, Borgetti is welcome.
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teresa
well done for your efforts with the poor ....a true "Waverlian" the brothers will be proud of you....I beleive the EOI's will be out soon for line....will be a lot of dissapointement as only 30 slots to cover bne/syd/mel/adl...maybe a few transfers from base might be on the cards to line???????....the rim
As I hate to see people demonised as a result of ignorance, I am reproducing the following from the SBS website in an effort to help allay some misunderstandings:
If interested, more information can be read here: Are asylum seekers who arrive by boat illegal immigrants? article | Go Back To Where You Came From on SBS
Asylum seekers who arrive in Australia by boat are neither engaging in illegal activity, nor are they immigrants. The UN Refugee Convention (to which Australia is a signatory) recognises that refugees have a right to enter a country for the purposes of seeking asylum, regardless of how they arrive or whether they hold valid travel or identity documents.
The Convention stipulates that what would usually be considered as illegal actions (e.g. entering a country without a visa) should not be treated as illegal if a person is seeking asylum. This means that it is incorrect to refer to asylum seekers who arrive without authorisation as “illegal”, as they in fact have a right to enter Australia to seek asylum.
In line with our obligations under the Convention, Australian law also permits unauthorised entry into Australia for the purposes of seeking asylum. Asylum seekers do not break any Australian laws simply by arriving on boats or without authorisation.
Australian and international law make these allowances because it is not always safe or practicable for asylum seekers to obtain travel documents or travel through authorised channels.
Refugees are, by definition, persons fleeing persecution and in most cases are being persecuted by their own government. It is often too dangerous for refugees to apply for a passport or exit visa or approach an Australian Embassy for a visa, as such actions could put their lives, and the lives of their families, at risk.
Refugees may also be forced to flee with little notice due to rapidly deteriorating situations and do not have time to apply for travel documents or arrange travel through authorised channels. Permitting asylum seekers to enter a country without travel documents is similar to allowing ambulance drivers to exceed the speed limit in an emergency – the action would ordinarily be considered illegal, but the circumstances warrant an exception.
It is also incorrect to refer to asylum seekers as migrants. A migrant is someone who chooses to leave their country to seek a better life. They make a conscious choice to leave and they can return whenever they like. Refugees are forced to leave their country and cannot return unless the situation that forced them to leave improves. Some are forced to flee without warning; significant numbers of them have suffered torture and trauma. The concerns of refugees are human rights and safety, not economic advantage.
The Convention stipulates that what would usually be considered as illegal actions (e.g. entering a country without a visa) should not be treated as illegal if a person is seeking asylum. This means that it is incorrect to refer to asylum seekers who arrive without authorisation as “illegal”, as they in fact have a right to enter Australia to seek asylum.
In line with our obligations under the Convention, Australian law also permits unauthorised entry into Australia for the purposes of seeking asylum. Asylum seekers do not break any Australian laws simply by arriving on boats or without authorisation.
Australian and international law make these allowances because it is not always safe or practicable for asylum seekers to obtain travel documents or travel through authorised channels.
Refugees are, by definition, persons fleeing persecution and in most cases are being persecuted by their own government. It is often too dangerous for refugees to apply for a passport or exit visa or approach an Australian Embassy for a visa, as such actions could put their lives, and the lives of their families, at risk.
Refugees may also be forced to flee with little notice due to rapidly deteriorating situations and do not have time to apply for travel documents or arrange travel through authorised channels. Permitting asylum seekers to enter a country without travel documents is similar to allowing ambulance drivers to exceed the speed limit in an emergency – the action would ordinarily be considered illegal, but the circumstances warrant an exception.
It is also incorrect to refer to asylum seekers as migrants. A migrant is someone who chooses to leave their country to seek a better life. They make a conscious choice to leave and they can return whenever they like. Refugees are forced to leave their country and cannot return unless the situation that forced them to leave improves. Some are forced to flee without warning; significant numbers of them have suffered torture and trauma. The concerns of refugees are human rights and safety, not economic advantage.
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............Anyway, back to the topic of this thread.
I understand Qantas management and the associated engineering unions held the first of what should be several meetings in Sydney today to discuss the future.
Anybody got any idea as to what came of this meeting? And on exactly what direction Qantas is looking to go with regard to Heavy Maintenance?
I understand Qantas management and the associated engineering unions held the first of what should be several meetings in Sydney today to discuss the future.
Anybody got any idea as to what came of this meeting? And on exactly what direction Qantas is looking to go with regard to Heavy Maintenance?
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Ken they may well have been refugees when they fled in 'terror' from 'persecution' in, for example, Afghanistan into say, Pakistan. By the time they transit through Malaysia and Indonesia and then throw their paperwork overboard enroute to Ashmore Reef they are illegal!!!
Just how many countries does a refugee have to transit before it becomes obvious they are shopping for a better life rather than fleeing persecution?
Make it perfectly clear that if you arrive illegally you don't get 1 dollar of support, let alone the avalanche of money thrown at boat people, and watch the 'refugee' flow into Australia dry up overnight.
Only an idiot would hold up SBS as the final word on illegal immigration.
Just how many countries does a refugee have to transit before it becomes obvious they are shopping for a better life rather than fleeing persecution?
Make it perfectly clear that if you arrive illegally you don't get 1 dollar of support, let alone the avalanche of money thrown at boat people, and watch the 'refugee' flow into Australia dry up overnight.
Only an idiot would hold up SBS as the final word on illegal immigration.
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Read this: Edmund Rice Centre
An extract here
Myth 11: Refugees should stay in the first country they come to and 'join the queue'
Fact: Australia has not taken a single refugee from the UNHCR in Jakarta - from the so-called 'queue' - for more than three years. This is despite the rhetoric from Australian politicians for asylum seekers to be processed in Indonesia. It should also be noted that the UNHCR centre in Indonesia was set up by Australia with Indonesian support. Refugees cannot stay in Indonesia because Indonesia is not a signatory to the Refugee Convention. There is no requirement in international law for refugees to seek asylum in the first country they come to. Some developed countries have made this an additional requirement in order to avoid processing claims, leaving the large numbers of asylum seekers in camps in Third World countries. International law requires that asylum seekers should not be penalised according to the way in which they enter a country. Australia's current policy does not accord with this requirement.
Some people have given up on the 'queue' and resorted to coming by boat. 24 of those who recently died when their ship sank off the coast of Indonesia had already been granted refugee status by the UNHCR in Jakarta. Many more had relations in Australia who had been provided with asylum but were not allowed access to their wives and children. Simply, the 'queue' does not work.
An extract here
Myth 11: Refugees should stay in the first country they come to and 'join the queue'
Fact: Australia has not taken a single refugee from the UNHCR in Jakarta - from the so-called 'queue' - for more than three years. This is despite the rhetoric from Australian politicians for asylum seekers to be processed in Indonesia. It should also be noted that the UNHCR centre in Indonesia was set up by Australia with Indonesian support. Refugees cannot stay in Indonesia because Indonesia is not a signatory to the Refugee Convention. There is no requirement in international law for refugees to seek asylum in the first country they come to. Some developed countries have made this an additional requirement in order to avoid processing claims, leaving the large numbers of asylum seekers in camps in Third World countries. International law requires that asylum seekers should not be penalised according to the way in which they enter a country. Australia's current policy does not accord with this requirement.
Some people have given up on the 'queue' and resorted to coming by boat. 24 of those who recently died when their ship sank off the coast of Indonesia had already been granted refugee status by the UNHCR in Jakarta. Many more had relations in Australia who had been provided with asylum but were not allowed access to their wives and children. Simply, the 'queue' does not work.
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Anyway, getting back on to topic, who's going to employ the thousands of people made redundant recently and how is this going to help our economy?
Chockchucker, I haven't heard the outcome of the meeting today, but what was that relating to "Heavy Maintenance"?
Melbourne is basically shut down for HM. Sydney only has Base Maintenance and Brisbane is forced to stay open because 1) It's new and 2) they have a contract with the defence forces for the maintenance on the 330 tankers. As for other "HM" I don't believe QANTAS is looking at anything within Australia.
It's just a matter of wait and see. All will be revealed......
Chockchucker, I haven't heard the outcome of the meeting today, but what was that relating to "Heavy Maintenance"?
Melbourne is basically shut down for HM. Sydney only has Base Maintenance and Brisbane is forced to stay open because 1) It's new and 2) they have a contract with the defence forces for the maintenance on the 330 tankers. As for other "HM" I don't believe QANTAS is looking at anything within Australia.
It's just a matter of wait and see. All will be revealed......
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The company will already know what they are going to do you really think they care what the unions think after just being in a huge barney with them the meetings are just a time wasting exercise.
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Any who my thought is it will be BNE its new they own it MEL its old and AVV its old they just rent hangars and Qantas owned equipment could be shipped out over night.
And as for Forstaff no customer means no Forstaff.
And as for Forstaff no customer means no Forstaff.
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The company will already know what they are going to do you really think they care what the unions think after just being in a huge barney with them the meetings are just a time wasting exercise.
!!My $$'s are on BNE with AVV to stay (for the time being) to handle the 744's.
Not sure if they could physically fit the amount they need to do in the BNE hangar ?
Of course, that opens up "Option B", keeping BNE only and sending all the "overflow" (anything more then one aircraft at a time) overseas ??
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As an aside to the comments regarding refugees, you've got to protect the Australian jobs and economy first, otherwise when we're all unemployed and living on the bare minimum, who'll support the 'refugees' then??
It might seem cruel to stem the flow now but if they take on more than they can handle now, it'll only get worse for them, not better.
Look after the citizens interests first, so they are gainfully employed and financially able to contribute and help those less fortunate.
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It might seem cruel to stem the flow now but if they take on more than they can handle now, it'll only get worse for them, not better.
Look after the citizens interests first, so they are gainfully employed and financially able to contribute and help those less fortunate.
/thread creep
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And if Australia was beset by invasion, of the style the Japanese may have inflicted during WWII, or civil war, and Australians were to attempt to depart en masse for a safer haven, how many of you are going to be content to stop in Malaysia, or Thailand, or Indonesia??????
And how many will try to make Europe or the US, where conditions might be perceived to be better??????
And how many will try to make Europe or the US, where conditions might be perceived to be better??????
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And if Australia was beset by invasion, of the style the Japanese may have inflicted during WWII, or civil war, and Australians were to attempt to depart en masse for a safer haven, how many of you are going to be content to stop in Malaysia, or Thailand, or Indonesia??????
And how many will try to make Europe or the US, where conditions might be perceived to be better??????
And how many will try to make Europe or the US, where conditions might be perceived to be better??????
When the top end of Australia had the bejesus bombed out of it in WWII, the Australians then did not flee. They put up the best fight they could. I don't believe that Australians would flee Australia because of the following points:
- There is no other safe haven like Australia. Not even the USA
- Would the likes of Indonesia or Malaysia take on Australians if they did flee? I highly doubt it.
- Australians will stay and defend their country (unless of course they just got off a rickety boat from Indonesia, overstayed their student visa or their 457 visa).
- We have VERY BIG USAF bases in the NT and Top End that have interests within Australia they wish to protect.
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QF94, your probably right about Australia not being militarily invaded but the point is, HAD the Japanese been successful and had they wanted to invade and control the whole of Australia during WW II, Australia and our way of life would be nothing as we know it to be. In these hypothetical scenarios, we'd be the ones looking for sanctuary and I'll wager London to a brick, that not too many of the current xenophobes will be stopping in Indonesia because it's the first country. Nor will they be joining to queue, non existent as it is, to go somewhere to their liking.
Folk should look at photos of POWs of Changi, etc, and then think to themselves, "what would I do if I was treated like that"?
Folk should look at photos of POWs of Changi, etc, and then think to themselves, "what would I do if I was treated like that"?