Emirates busts Sydney curfew 3 times
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Government won't act on Badgery's Creek Albanese will block anything to improve YSSY.
Government rules out airport curfew extension | thetelegraph.com.au
Government rules out airport curfew extension | thetelegraph.com.au
THE Federal Government has dismissed claims the night curfew on flights at Sydney Airport could be lifted.
A yet-to-be tabled report, commissioned by the Federal Government in 2009, is set to recommend the airport's 11pm to 6am curfew be extended, News Limited reported today.
The joint federal-state taskforce will also call for an increase in aircraft movements, lifting the current permitted rate of 70 take-offs and landings per hour to 80.
But Transport Minister Anthony Albanese, whose electorate of Grayndler lies under the flight path, ruled out any change to the curfew.
"We'll say no," he told ABC radio today.
"Of course, no one wants to fly at 3am from Sydney to Melbourne.
"The curfew does provide some respite for people who live around the airport."
Mr Albanese reiterated his belief that Sydney needs a second airport, but said it would not be at Badgerys Creek in Sydney's west.
"Sydney does need a second airport sooner rather than later because the consequences for the economy and jobs in NSW is dire if that does not occur," he said.
"The Government's position is that it should not be at Badgerys Creek."
Mr Albanese said the Government was not bound by any of the findings in the taskforce report, which is due to be handed to ministers later this year.
NSW Premier Barry O'Farrell has previously said he does not support having a second airport in the Sydney basin
A yet-to-be tabled report, commissioned by the Federal Government in 2009, is set to recommend the airport's 11pm to 6am curfew be extended, News Limited reported today.
The joint federal-state taskforce will also call for an increase in aircraft movements, lifting the current permitted rate of 70 take-offs and landings per hour to 80.
But Transport Minister Anthony Albanese, whose electorate of Grayndler lies under the flight path, ruled out any change to the curfew.
"We'll say no," he told ABC radio today.
"Of course, no one wants to fly at 3am from Sydney to Melbourne.
"The curfew does provide some respite for people who live around the airport."
Mr Albanese reiterated his belief that Sydney needs a second airport, but said it would not be at Badgerys Creek in Sydney's west.
"Sydney does need a second airport sooner rather than later because the consequences for the economy and jobs in NSW is dire if that does not occur," he said.
"The Government's position is that it should not be at Badgerys Creek."
Mr Albanese said the Government was not bound by any of the findings in the taskforce report, which is due to be handed to ministers later this year.
NSW Premier Barry O'Farrell has previously said he does not support having a second airport in the Sydney basin
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It'll be Wilton! No - Holsworthy! Err - Galston! Yep, Galston. Umm hang on - Badgery's Creek! I know - I know - Richmond! Well, how about somewhere near Mittagong? Is Canberra very close? Isn't Williamtown more or less empty? High Speed Rail is the answer!!!!! ... errrr ...
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"Of course, no one wants to fly at 3am from Sydney to Melbourne.
There is a whole world outside of Australia that people do want to travel too.
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Hopefully this gets to court and EK can win one then maybe some of the insane decision making of the government will be tempered by a Judge.
One of these scenarios was a ridiculously improbable chain of events yet the government refused to cooperate.
It would also be interesting to note how many of these people living around the airport complained about the A380 departing at the time.
This would provide a very strong case for a change in the implementation of the curfew.
Emirates has become the first airline to be charged with breaching the overnight curfew on flights at Sydney Airport since Jetstar was prosecuted six years ago.
After an investigation, the Department of Infrastructure and Transport has decided to push for charges to be laid against the Dubai-based airline for three alleged breaches of the curfew between late 2011 and January this year.
The airline faces a maximum fine of $550,000 for each breach of the curfew, which is designed to prevent commercial airlines from flying between 11pm and 6am at Kingsford Smith.
The department alleges that the most recent breach occurred on January 8 when Emirates flight EK413 took off from the airport bound for Dubai about 11.40pm – 40 minutes after the curfew takes effect.
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The latest an Emirates flight – EK413 – is alleged to have taken off is about 11.46pm on December 16, 2011.
The other charge relates to an alleged breach by flight EK419 about 11.14pm on November 8, 2011.
Emirates is yet to enter a plea in the case, which is before the Downing Centre Local Court in Sydney.
Lawyers for the airline sought more time on Tuesday to prepare its response because of the large amount of paperwork, which includes transcripts of the three flights.
The case was scheduled for a hearing on December 17.
The charges were laid just before the federal election in September when Anthony Albanese was still the federal transport minister.
Mr Albanese, whose inner-city electorate of Grayndler is under one of Sydney Airport's flight paths, maintained this year that the curfew was a legal requirement that needed to be enforced.
Jetstar was the last airline to be prosecuted for breaching the curfew in 2007 when a flight took off at 11.28pm.
Under the existing rules, no more than 24 international passenger aircraft are allowed to land each week in the so-called "curfew shoulder periods" between 5am and 6am, and 11pm and midnight.
A number of small freight and corporate jets are allowed to land and take off during the curfew period. These aircraft have to take off and land over Botany Bay to minimise noise disturbance.
NSW Premier Barry O'Farrell has proposed allowing more aircraft to land in the shoulder periods to make better use of the existing airport.
Before it won government in September, the federal Coalition also proposed a rethink on allowing business and charter aircraft to take off and land during the present overnight curfew.
Read more: Emirates charged with breaching overnight curfew at Sydney Airport
One of these scenarios was a ridiculously improbable chain of events yet the government refused to cooperate.
It would also be interesting to note how many of these people living around the airport complained about the A380 departing at the time.
This would provide a very strong case for a change in the implementation of the curfew.
Emirates has become the first airline to be charged with breaching the overnight curfew on flights at Sydney Airport since Jetstar was prosecuted six years ago.
After an investigation, the Department of Infrastructure and Transport has decided to push for charges to be laid against the Dubai-based airline for three alleged breaches of the curfew between late 2011 and January this year.
The airline faces a maximum fine of $550,000 for each breach of the curfew, which is designed to prevent commercial airlines from flying between 11pm and 6am at Kingsford Smith.
The department alleges that the most recent breach occurred on January 8 when Emirates flight EK413 took off from the airport bound for Dubai about 11.40pm – 40 minutes after the curfew takes effect.
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The latest an Emirates flight – EK413 – is alleged to have taken off is about 11.46pm on December 16, 2011.
The other charge relates to an alleged breach by flight EK419 about 11.14pm on November 8, 2011.
Emirates is yet to enter a plea in the case, which is before the Downing Centre Local Court in Sydney.
Lawyers for the airline sought more time on Tuesday to prepare its response because of the large amount of paperwork, which includes transcripts of the three flights.
The case was scheduled for a hearing on December 17.
The charges were laid just before the federal election in September when Anthony Albanese was still the federal transport minister.
Mr Albanese, whose inner-city electorate of Grayndler is under one of Sydney Airport's flight paths, maintained this year that the curfew was a legal requirement that needed to be enforced.
Jetstar was the last airline to be prosecuted for breaching the curfew in 2007 when a flight took off at 11.28pm.
Under the existing rules, no more than 24 international passenger aircraft are allowed to land each week in the so-called "curfew shoulder periods" between 5am and 6am, and 11pm and midnight.
A number of small freight and corporate jets are allowed to land and take off during the curfew period. These aircraft have to take off and land over Botany Bay to minimise noise disturbance.
NSW Premier Barry O'Farrell has proposed allowing more aircraft to land in the shoulder periods to make better use of the existing airport.
Before it won government in September, the federal Coalition also proposed a rethink on allowing business and charter aircraft to take off and land during the present overnight curfew.
Read more: Emirates charged with breaching overnight curfew at Sydney Airport
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How terribly awful, curfew broken by 14 minutes, so so naughty. Amazing how the Ministers office chooses to respond to such trivial inconsequential matters while yet choosing to ignore senate recommendations to plug severe aviation safety risk.
Would be good if this action gets a lot of press. I mean it's embarrassing that we operate like a third world country.
Why stop at Syd lets completely hold Australia back from being clever, I mean afterall we have probably the most useless political system in the western world & the most unworkable ATC system as well & no manufacturing industry to speak of so yep lets just close the doors completely 'till the sun comes up all over this great backward land of ours!
Go EK, show this country how crazy we are.
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Why stop at Syd lets completely hold Australia back from being clever, I mean afterall we have probably the most useless political system in the western world & the most unworkable ATC system as well & no manufacturing industry to speak of so yep lets just close the doors completely 'till the sun comes up all over this great backward land of ours!
Go EK, show this country how crazy we are.
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When you consider the cost of accommodation, food vouchers, sorting out connecting flights, loss of goodwill, bad publicity etc for three A380 loads of passengers, it was probably cheaper for EK to bust the (otherwise ridiculous anyway) curfew and just cop the fine.
Sorry guys but the law is the law. It doesn't matter how crazy we think it is, we have no choice but to comply with it. Imagine the consequences were an Australian company or citizen intentionally infringed the laws of the UAE? The fact that the UAE is run by a mob of 'cowboys' does not mean that their companies behave that way in Australia. They have to comply with the lex loci, jut like thee and me.
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Sorry guys but the law is the law. It doesn't matter how crazy we think it is, we have no choice but to comply with it. Imagine the consequences were an Australian company or citizen intentionally infringed the laws of the UAE?
off at the time from what I remember.That along with the incident last year where no exemption was granted to aircraft that departed ON TIME and copped 1 hour ATC delay no wx around and were still denied a dispensation are bordering on the ridiculous.
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Nev,
I understand what you say but even if you disagree with not only the law but also the way in which the Minister exercises discretion, you don't have the right to turn around, say 'up yours' and break the law. It's just not the way business is done in this country. As you can surmise, I don't have much sympathy for the plight of any law-breaker.
I understand what you say but even if you disagree with not only the law but also the way in which the Minister exercises discretion, you don't have the right to turn around, say 'up yours' and break the law. It's just not the way business is done in this country. As you can surmise, I don't have much sympathy for the plight of any law-breaker.
Nev, to clarify, you don't 'go to court' because you disagree with the law; you go to court because you think the law has been applied incorrectly. The judge should simply apply the facts to the law, not modify government policy.
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I understand what you say but even if you disagree with not only the law but also the way in which the Minister exercises discretion, you don't have the right to turn around, say 'up yours' and break the law. It's just not the way business is done in this country. As you can surmise, I don't have much sympathy for the plight of any law-breaker.
In the instance I talked about before which was in the papers at the time; EK was well and truly caught between the devil and the deep blue sea.
However you are correct in what you say and being PIC it would be a pretty tough call as you are deliberately breaking the law, but lock everyone up overnight and you could end up on criminal charges.
Will be interesting to see what their legal argument will be.
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Storm Girl, Ken is neither. He is a plane spotter who hangs around the airport perimeter or on Botany Bay in his tinnie, taking notes of arrivals and departures with pen and pad, taking the odd photo, scanner glued to his ear and binoculars eagerly scanning the horizon searching for an arriving aircraft. The panama hat works well on those warm Sydney summer days and a nicely knitted shawl for the cooler evenings viewings!
Often he can be seen with a neatly cut sandwich with warm thermos, and on occasion when the plane spotting gets heavy he will roll out the fold out chair from the boot of his Volvo and rest those weary bones.
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Often he can be seen with a neatly cut sandwich with warm thermos, and on occasion when the plane spotting gets heavy he will roll out the fold out chair from the boot of his Volvo and rest those weary bones.
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The Law is the Law!
It's not the Captain's problem that there is no accommodation or the terminal is closed for the night!
If you can't get a dispensation to go then the game is over!
It's not the Captain's problem that there is no accommodation or the terminal is closed for the night!
If you can't get a dispensation to go then the game is over!
