New NZ Regional?
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Rumours from the HLZ refueller, not related to the Darwin refueller by any chance??
Methinks the J32 would be a great startup alternative to the 1900, carries similar load, reliable if good maint ($$), lower capital cost. Yes the 146 impossible to compete with the more modern equip but Hey, good charter aircraft. As for another NZ regional, get real, with J32's/146 you would have to have a feed partnership with AirNZ. Would be rather hard to make that happen unless you could prove your credentials and operating standards. Aviation in 2012 is not a place for mavericks.
And just had another thought, why would you startup in a recession!!!!
Methinks the J32 would be a great startup alternative to the 1900, carries similar load, reliable if good maint ($$), lower capital cost. Yes the 146 impossible to compete with the more modern equip but Hey, good charter aircraft. As for another NZ regional, get real, with J32's/146 you would have to have a feed partnership with AirNZ. Would be rather hard to make that happen unless you could prove your credentials and operating standards. Aviation in 2012 is not a place for mavericks.
And just had another thought, why would you startup in a recession!!!!
There are many more than that.. going back to SPANZ at least.
I think Ewan Wilson could probably add the most obvious example to that list.
Some how I think business is, well business.
Methinks the J32 would be a great startup alternative to the 1900, carries similar load, reliable if good maint ($$), lower capital cost.
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To date they have removed...
CitiJet
Origin Pacific
Ansett NZ (Qantas NZ)
Air National
Qantas (Jet Connect)
CitiJet
Origin Pacific
Ansett NZ (Qantas NZ)
Air National
Qantas (Jet Connect)
People with longer memories, however, may want to add Air Nelson (basically put out of business by Air NZ and bought for a dollar by them, if memory serves), and possibly Rex, although that too is a bit of a stretch.
It is possible to succeed as a regional if you get the economics right, for example SoundsAir or Air2there (although how air2there continue to survive is a complete mystery). Neither of those is nationwide, but I'm sure it could be done if somebody with a few hundred million was able to think sufficiently outside the square. If you look at the new Air NZ PP-AA route, you will see pretty high pax figures from the beginning. I wonder how many more pax there are out there for another regional to profit from...
The lesson of the big European regionals, is that you create your own market by stimulating travel with low fares. Companies like Flybe went from near-death to being highly profitable doing just that. It's all niche market stuff.
If the J32 is so good why did Eagle get the 1900D when they also looked closely at the J32 when they upgraded a few years back?
The answer is economics, as always. Raytheon (who owned Beech at the time) gave them a better deal. Air NZ got the last sixteen to be built, kind of an end-of-line special (just like the Dashes).
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Ahh Rex Aviation ... now that was a great NZ regional airline. Went down with the mother ship unfortunately in 2001 
. Maybe if Ansett (Qantas) NZ had been our subsidiary things may have been different!
Never thought I'd see the day the 'Rex/Ansett NZ Regional' sign ended up on the side of the Wellington Aero Club bar - that place was like the Grim Reaper for NZ regional airlines. The Aero Club bar itself has gone now, don't know if Air NZ can been blamed for that though.
Apologies for the thread drift. It's been 11 years, time to move on...
. Maybe if Ansett (Qantas) NZ had been our subsidiary things may have been different! Never thought I'd see the day the 'Rex/Ansett NZ Regional' sign ended up on the side of the Wellington Aero Club bar - that place was like the Grim Reaper for NZ regional airlines. The Aero Club bar itself has gone now, don't know if Air NZ can been blamed for that though.
Apologies for the thread drift. It's been 11 years, time to move on...
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People with longer memories, however, may want to add Air Nelson (basically put out of business by Air NZ and bought for a dollar by them, if memory serves),
I thought Inglis did ok out of it. Then went and blew it again with Origin. Or you talkin about something else?
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Eagle wanted the Beech..sold HQ a pup and air NZ have been dissatisfied with the little money pits ever since. However as an ex 1900 jockey they rock..go like a rocket ..overpowered and suck jetA.
Steve believe me some of the nights you CAN'T remember in the aeroclub bar were even better than the ones you can
Steve believe me some of the nights you CAN'T remember in the aeroclub bar were even better than the ones you can
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Was my understanding that one of the main reasons for the selection of the 1900 was due to the performance issues of the Jetstreams out of places like WR, GS, AP, particularly on hot days where the little garretts would run out of puff.
Yes they were expensive but I reckon the right choice.
Yes they were expensive but I reckon the right choice.
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re Wellington Aero Club bar - we've still got the signs, will have a new bar to display them in one day, no doubt there'll be one or two new signs to add to the collection
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I thought Inglis did ok out of it. Then went and blew it again with Origin. Or you talkin about something else?
As far as J31s and Beech 1900s go, buy the J32EP with water meth and there are really no performance issues worth talking about. The 1900 might be fast, but any aircraft that needs that much "fixing" to make it fly in a straight line is not something I'd want to be involved with. It's just a small executive turboprop that has been stretched way too far.
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Kiwi air was real cool had a great livery with kiwi on the tail and did operate the 757 in NZ 1st airline to do so. Thats why they set up Freedom(also had a striking livery).
Newmans air was another competitor wiped off the scene not sure if it was NZ fault in that one.
Will JumpJet get off the ground or will be an airline on paper only?
Newmans air was another competitor wiped off the scene not sure if it was NZ fault in that one.
Will JumpJet get off the ground or will be an airline on paper only?
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has someone put steroids in the water in NZL ?
Note: the NZD$ which was close to par with the AUD$ only a few weeks ago, is now around NZD$1.12-1.13 to the AUD$.
Not sure what it is against the USD$ but their costs are going up.
Note: the NZD$ which was close to par with the AUD$ only a few weeks ago, is now around NZD$1.12-1.13 to the AUD$.
Not sure what it is against the USD$ but their costs are going up.
I thought Inglis did ok out of it. Then went and blew it again with Origin.