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QF International - 14 Aircraft total by 2021!!

Old 12th Dec 2011, 04:29
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Angry QF International - 14 Aircraft total by 2021!!

Look at page 109 of today's investor briefing released to the ASX.

QF International consists of ONLY A380s. So 14 or 20? Either way for anyone in doubt about where QF international is headed Mr Strambi spelt it out quite nicely today.


Qantas will soon not be seen outside of Australia!
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Old 12th Dec 2011, 04:46
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The A380's won't just fly domestically so I guess QF will still be seen outside Australia
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Old 12th Dec 2011, 05:10
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Good pickup KWIII. Direct link: Qantas Investor Briefing December 2011. (the fleet graphic is actually on page 108)
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Old 12th Dec 2011, 05:34
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I've been reading over this bit by bit today and was quite surprised when I came across that page.... to say the least!

I'm a bit puzzled by the statement that "B787-9s allocated based on return measures".

It really beggars belief that they are moving to an all quad-engined fleet when their competitors are primarily using twin-jets.
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Old 12th Dec 2011, 05:38
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No one said this bunch of ass clowns knew anything about Airlines.
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Old 12th Dec 2011, 05:48
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Thats how many they had in the fleet in 1985. There is progress for you.
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Slight correction TG - late 1984 there were 21 B747-200s & 2 B747-SPs before the 6 B747-300s arrived (from Nov 84) and 7 B767-200s (from Jul 85). We are shrinking to half that size and the amazing thing is that our fleet managers are blind to the fact that they are leading everyone to unemployment.
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Old 12th Dec 2011, 06:52
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No 787's to QF Int or Dom.

All A330's to QF Dom, clapped out by 2021 must be buying more?

737-800's for QF Dom, they will have to keep churning them over too.

A380? will they still be in the fleet?

I'm no accountant but the talk is that they are costing more to make than they are selling for and new orders are thin on the ground, bit of a rock around the EAD's neck?


RIP QF Int'l and worst case scenario maybe Dom too.
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Old 12th Dec 2011, 07:28
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Hasn't this been the master plan from as far back as just after QF management were shown it could be done in 1989?

1. shrink the (expensive in staff terms) 'legacy' Qantas to a small as possible rump

2. any expansion goes to LCCs like Jetstar

3. once the QF rump is so small that it can be closed down without too much pain* if the remaining (expensive) legacy staff won't accept the (inevitable) "offer they can't refuse" to work to Jetstar T&Cs, make that offer, shut down the 'rump' (whatever that costs) and..

4. re-brand Jetstar as Qantas (or maybe not, as by then, the brand will be so thrashed it might not be worth the new paint jobs) and Bob (or should that be Alan)'s your uncle!

* remember, in defining 'pain', you're dealing with a man who blithely shut down the whole operation without warning in what could only be classified as questionable circumstances.

I've seen the burn/payload comparisons between the A380 and B777. How any management without a hidden agenda could go the A380 route when most of their competitors are operating the 777 is totally beyond me.
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Old 12th Dec 2011, 07:49
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the amazing thing is that our fleet managers are blind to the fact that they are leading everyone to unemployment.
I thnk you're being a bit harsh there GB.

You need to be a little more sympathetic. The 767 and 747 fleet managers have just found out they're going to be back flying aeroplanes within 10 years. That's probably occupying most of their mental capacity at the moment.

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Old 12th Dec 2011, 08:56
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Yes yes great idea -
The 767 and 747 fleet managers have just found out they're going to be back flying aeroplanes within 10 years. That's probably occupying most of their mental capacity at the moment.
Get them back behind the yoke of these prehistoric sh*tboxes! Captain Underpants in the LH seat and an Indian cadet in the RH seat. That will scare them.
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Old 12th Dec 2011, 22:30
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The route map included in one of the slides shows both Santiago and Buenos Aires. It also still shows Perth - Narita, even though this route has been withdrawn.

Love the photo of the J* 320 on page 75, happily flying along with spoilers up and reversers open.
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and only 9 747 left by 2013. a bit of crewing surplus. or will jobs be offered ex asia at a reduced rate?
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Old 12th Dec 2011, 23:24
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The following has been extracted from

By Ben Sandilands, December 12, 2011

· Qantas is augmenting its A380s with refurbished Boeing 747-400s, but not after 2021.

· What is tragic about the Qantas fleet simplification graphic is that it has totally abandoned at least so far as a Qantas branded operation is concerned, the commitment to serving the new city pairs that were supposed to be enabled by the 787 Dreamliner when it ordered or optioned up to 100 0f them in December 2005.

· What the slide says is that this Qantas management has dealt itself out of the ambitions that underpinned the 787 order. That notion, put into effective fleet use by Emirates, Singapore Airlines, Cathay Pacific, Thai International and Lufthansa, is not for Qantas. In fact there may be no real belief in management of any role for Qantas international at all, as with down sizing comes vulnerability and irrelevance, already apparent in the market share taken by those who saw the gaps in the Qantas world view, and filled them.

· There are 50 Dreamliners left on firm contract, but earmarked for Jetstar international and Qantas domestic, and as they are widely expected to be operated out of an offshore 787 base by a new entity providing 787 services to Qantas, some of those less-than-A380 sized international routes may be flown by an Asia based Qantas investment, as well as the various owners of offshore Jetstar franchises.
Full article available at Plane Talking
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Old 12th Dec 2011, 23:52
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Adios, au revoir, sayonara

This is virtually QF management putting up the white flag........WE SURRENDER.

Hudson-Fysh and the pioneers of this once great airline had the attitude of .....lets give it a red hot go and compete with skill, dedication, guts and business savvy.

No........- not for this grab bag of clueless losers whose CV's read like a bunch of overfed bankers,miners and mobsters.

Airline experience.............pffftttttt !

JB's got it, Fyfe has got it. Its the glint in the eye.......that no bastard is going to beat us.

But when you hear the Leprechaun speak .....its garbled metaphors with no wit, logic OR capacity for articulating a plan based on growth.


Because they don't have one.

This latest gem from Sandilands just reaffirms the place that this bunch will be placed in history.

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Old 13th Dec 2011, 01:32
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I am getting sick of the pathetic joycian leadership. The pathetic pipsqueak needs some churchill leasons in leadership. Unite against a common enemy rather than wage a tyrannous war against your staff.

We have before us an ordeal of the most grievous kind. We have before us many, many long months of struggle and of suffering. You ask, what is our policy? I will say: It is to wage war, by sea, land, and air, with all our might and with all the strength that God can give us; to wage war against a monstrous tyranny never surpassed in the dark, lamentable catalogue of human crime. That is our policy. You ask, what is our aim? I can answer in one word: It is victory, victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory, however long and hard the road may be.

If Qantas is getting smashed then unite all against the common enemy. If you cannot unite your staff then you are doomed to fail in your quest to restructure. they don't have to like the restructure but they have to see it as necessary or they'll unite to bring you down.

Every dictator has an end date.
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Old 13th Dec 2011, 01:35
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Plenty of pretty pictures in the brochure, some of the best bits....

We will continue to build on our extensive
global network - leveraging key partnerships
Bangkok and Hong Kong to London will leverage partner network adjacency
Awesome team. Where do I sign up to blow my money?
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Old 13th Dec 2011, 01:39
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Qantas..the rudderless ship.

Qantas is all at sea, it has no direction, and a lack of any real leadership or guidance. It is constantly fumbling from one disaster to another with the employees left to pick up the pieces and put some kind of pride back into the airline. The current leadership and decision making at the rat make the public service look efficient.

An airline that had so much potential, an untouchable brand, loyal employees and the pride of a country behind it....slowly being mis-managed to death. Sad indeed.
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Old 13th Dec 2011, 01:49
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We will continue to build on our extensive
global network () .. leveraging key partnerships....... leverage partner network adjacency...
You should allow AJ his 'Corporate Weasel Words'.
Afterall, he has no clothes.
Here's a news flash for you AJ.
A great many Kangaroo Route passengers fly QF because they won't fly BA, now or ever again!
You've just added us to their list of airlines to avoid.
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Old 13th Dec 2011, 03:08
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Can the A380 operate in and out of places such as Perth, Brisbane or Adelaide?
Or does this spell the end of Qantas operating internationally from anywhere but Sydney and Melbourne?
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