Geoffery Thomas...again
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Ok Geoff. If you are interested in reporting correct facts, please PM me and I will provide you with my payslips, rosters and group certificate. It will show you exactly how distorted the facts are that your QF management mates supply you with. If you get this info from me, perhaps you will see that I made less than people at other Australian carriers, yet my duty hours were within a whisker. But would that suit your agenda?
I hope you are proud of your spin this morning. Perhaps I should quote the highest paid journalist, or manager responsible for editing, and launch a campaign claiming that is what you get paid, and therefore how overpaid and undeserving you certainly are.
You are contributing to the destruction of peoples lives here. Hope you are proud. Being an aviation expert must make you the highest paid journalist no doubt.
Thankyou for your contribution to Australian Aviation. That segment this morning has just made it so much better.
I hope you are proud of your spin this morning. Perhaps I should quote the highest paid journalist, or manager responsible for editing, and launch a campaign claiming that is what you get paid, and therefore how overpaid and undeserving you certainly are.
You are contributing to the destruction of peoples lives here. Hope you are proud. Being an aviation expert must make you the highest paid journalist no doubt.
Thankyou for your contribution to Australian Aviation. That segment this morning has just made it so much better.
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He is entitled to an opinion and I can respect that. Not all Australians agree with the employees and Unions.
However, I suspect the majority of Australians that care about the future of our national airlines see through the QF spin and now sympathise with the employees. At the very least, they expect QF to address and resolve the issues and whilst the industrial unrest continues QF management will continue to lose public support.
Dubious claims and comments by QF managers and pro QF journalists are not helping Qantas managements cause.
Obscene executive salaries, the threat of mass staff redundancies, talk of new overseas airlines with a non Australian workforce and no share dividend for two years will not be going unnoticed by the Australian public. It would be a very brave or stupid executive that proceeds with mass redundancies in the current climate.
However, I suspect the majority of Australians that care about the future of our national airlines see through the QF spin and now sympathise with the employees. At the very least, they expect QF to address and resolve the issues and whilst the industrial unrest continues QF management will continue to lose public support.
Dubious claims and comments by QF managers and pro QF journalists are not helping Qantas managements cause.
Obscene executive salaries, the threat of mass staff redundancies, talk of new overseas airlines with a non Australian workforce and no share dividend for two years will not be going unnoticed by the Australian public. It would be a very brave or stupid executive that proceeds with mass redundancies in the current climate.
Memo to Geoff.
Would you phone my wife and explain where the missing $100+ grand is from my pay packet. And likewise, happy to supply the group certificate and payslips that show my pay doesn't start with a 2,3,4, or 5 for that matter.
And the 1 in front doesn't indicate a mill either.
Also, next time would you compare virgin 737 pilots with qantas 737 pilots wages. You know, like for like.
And it would also be nice if you compared Cathay, Singapore and Emirates figures, just for the sense of balance.
PS call AIPA to get the figures. You might be surprised how far out of accuracy your 50% pay anomaly is. (Must be that dodgy calculator Alan gave you.)
Would you phone my wife and explain where the missing $100+ grand is from my pay packet. And likewise, happy to supply the group certificate and payslips that show my pay doesn't start with a 2,3,4, or 5 for that matter.
And the 1 in front doesn't indicate a mill either.
Also, next time would you compare virgin 737 pilots with qantas 737 pilots wages. You know, like for like.
And it would also be nice if you compared Cathay, Singapore and Emirates figures, just for the sense of balance.
PS call AIPA to get the figures. You might be surprised how far out of accuracy your 50% pay anomaly is. (Must be that dodgy calculator Alan gave you.)
I think GT saw how well others did with "Cash for comment" so he's trying to get a slice of the pie for himself.
It's bad enough when you have journos mis-reporting the facts to please their sponsor but for a supposed "industry expert" to be sprouting such lies shows that there is a lot of influence and money being wielded here.
It's bad enough when you have journos mis-reporting the facts to please their sponsor but for a supposed "industry expert" to be sprouting such lies shows that there is a lot of influence and money being wielded here.
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I believe that people are getting increasingly sceptical about 'experts' on the telly, whether the issue is health, science, finance, industry or otherwise.
After years of shonky advertising campaigns using the 'experts recommend' chestnut, a few big and costly finance scandals (such as Storm) and the whole climate change debacle (and without getting into the theory itself, CC is now being used as an example of a science PR debacle in at least one scientific ethics university course that I know of), I think the word is becoming a major turn off.
Comments like 'Oh great, another 'expert.' What did they pay you this time?', are increasingly part of lunch room commentary, on whatever issue is being subjected to the 'expert' treatment at the time.
After years of shonky advertising campaigns using the 'experts recommend' chestnut, a few big and costly finance scandals (such as Storm) and the whole climate change debacle (and without getting into the theory itself, CC is now being used as an example of a science PR debacle in at least one scientific ethics university course that I know of), I think the word is becoming a major turn off.
Comments like 'Oh great, another 'expert.' What did they pay you this time?', are increasingly part of lunch room commentary, on whatever issue is being subjected to the 'expert' treatment at the time.
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This was a soft interview which was FULLY supported by comments from David Koche, so don't think for a moment it did not have the impact it was designed to have.
Simple message brought down to the lowest level of detail continuing to ram home the theme this is about money.
The rat continues to win the PR war in my view because there is just so little counter view in the public domain. Yes they use dodgy calculators and so called experts who fail to disclose any conflicts, but they keep getting away with it.
I also see no evidence that the public are seeing through the Rat spin. They see a dispute that they want no part of and just want it sorted.
You run the risk of achieving the level of disengagement that has now been reached by Labour Party...everyone knows they are gone and nobody cares about the issues any more.
I hope I am wrong.
Simple message brought down to the lowest level of detail continuing to ram home the theme this is about money.
The rat continues to win the PR war in my view because there is just so little counter view in the public domain. Yes they use dodgy calculators and so called experts who fail to disclose any conflicts, but they keep getting away with it.
I also see no evidence that the public are seeing through the Rat spin. They see a dispute that they want no part of and just want it sorted.
You run the risk of achieving the level of disengagement that has now been reached by Labour Party...everyone knows they are gone and nobody cares about the issues any more.
I hope I am wrong.
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What concerns me is that anyone is watching that retarded morning show at all.
It is a children show made for bogans. It's an embarrassment to watch and by not watching it and telling everyone you know how childish it is makes more sense to me than giving it your rating. Switch off, it hurts them more.
It is a children show made for bogans. It's an embarrassment to watch and by not watching it and telling everyone you know how childish it is makes more sense to me than giving it your rating. Switch off, it hurts them more.
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Ohallen - this Sunrise piece was without question a scripted piece.
Thomas is a self styled, journo perpetutated industry expert.
What Sunrise should do - if it had the balls and it certainly doesn't, is ask industry professionals just what level of industry expert Thomas is considered to be.
The man has no credence outside the Chairman's Club yet the bucket and spade brigade will treat his comments as the blueberries atop their morning Sunrise brekky.
Mr Thomas - go away please.
Thomas is a self styled, journo perpetutated industry expert.
What Sunrise should do - if it had the balls and it certainly doesn't, is ask industry professionals just what level of industry expert Thomas is considered to be.
The man has no credence outside the Chairman's Club yet the bucket and spade brigade will treat his comments as the blueberries atop their morning Sunrise brekky.
Mr Thomas - go away please.
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What concerns me is that anyone is watching that retarded morning show at all.
When you live....
I didn't see it nor do I have the evidence available to contradict but you might find that
Media Watch (ABC TV) is exactly the right way of putting your side of the story.
After the pokies/NRL/9 stuff from last week, its the kind of story they'd be right into.
UTR
Media Watch (ABC TV) is exactly the right way of putting your side of the story.
After the pokies/NRL/9 stuff from last week, its the kind of story they'd be right into.
UTR
To "Aviation Expert" Geoffrey Thomas,
We know you frequent PPrune, so you are probably reading this right now.
How about you show a shred of journalistic integrity and answer a few questions for us:
1. Have you contacted Steve P and tried to obtain accurate wage information indepedently?
2. Will you take up the offer of several Pprune members and obtain a copy of their group certificates?
3. What exactly are the arrangements between the sunrise show and Qantas PR?
4. If you actually did some independent research and asked channel 7 if you could present factual information which happened to not be pro-QF management, would they allow it?
5. If not, would they allow Steve P on the sunrise show to give the other side of the story?
6. If they wouldn't allow it, does this indicate one-sided journalism (ie essentially advertising)?
7. As a so-called "journalist", isn't it your call of duty that accurate information is presented rather than reproduction of company PR spin?
8. How often do you fly Qantas?
9. Did you obtain Qantas Club membership through accrual of points like everyone else, or was it gifted?
10. How often do you fly Virgin?
11. Are you deeply familiar with the skill sets required and working conditions for Qantas pilots and engineers (ie changing a bleed valve on an aircraft parked at the terminal overnight, 3am in the morning by torchlight in sub zero temperatures)?
12. When was the last time you sat down with a Qantas pilot or engineer for a few hours and asked them about their jobs?
13. If you aren't intricately aware of their jobs, how can you possibly comment on how much they are worth?
14. In wage comparisons, why don't you compare apples with apples - ie other international airlines like Emirates/Cathay - rather than other low cost domestic carriers.
15. How would you like it if I jumped on national TV and called you overpaid when in fact I have no idea how much you are paid or what your job entails?
Thanking you in advance for an ACCURATE and speedy reply.
We know you frequent PPrune, so you are probably reading this right now.
How about you show a shred of journalistic integrity and answer a few questions for us:
1. Have you contacted Steve P and tried to obtain accurate wage information indepedently?
2. Will you take up the offer of several Pprune members and obtain a copy of their group certificates?
3. What exactly are the arrangements between the sunrise show and Qantas PR?
4. If you actually did some independent research and asked channel 7 if you could present factual information which happened to not be pro-QF management, would they allow it?
5. If not, would they allow Steve P on the sunrise show to give the other side of the story?
6. If they wouldn't allow it, does this indicate one-sided journalism (ie essentially advertising)?
7. As a so-called "journalist", isn't it your call of duty that accurate information is presented rather than reproduction of company PR spin?
8. How often do you fly Qantas?
9. Did you obtain Qantas Club membership through accrual of points like everyone else, or was it gifted?
10. How often do you fly Virgin?
11. Are you deeply familiar with the skill sets required and working conditions for Qantas pilots and engineers (ie changing a bleed valve on an aircraft parked at the terminal overnight, 3am in the morning by torchlight in sub zero temperatures)?
12. When was the last time you sat down with a Qantas pilot or engineer for a few hours and asked them about their jobs?
13. If you aren't intricately aware of their jobs, how can you possibly comment on how much they are worth?
14. In wage comparisons, why don't you compare apples with apples - ie other international airlines like Emirates/Cathay - rather than other low cost domestic carriers.
15. How would you like it if I jumped on national TV and called you overpaid when in fact I have no idea how much you are paid or what your job entails?
Thanking you in advance for an ACCURATE and speedy reply.
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And don't forget that one of the main reasons we are amongst the highest paid in the world is because of the current state of the Aussie dollar.
Only a few years ago, places like Emirates , Singapore, Malaysian, etc , were all paying up to 40% more than Qantas, all because of the currency exchange. And if the Aussie dollar falls in six months time, then so will the reason of Aussies being the highest paid in the world.
This is probably one reason Qantas feels that it has to push this wage dispute right now, because in 6 to 12 months from now, the Aussie dollar will be back down around 70 odd US Cents, and if they win, Qantas staff wages and costs will be significantly lower than present.
Geoffrey, do you have a work email or telephone contact, as you don't seem to have any point of contact when googled?
Only a few years ago, places like Emirates , Singapore, Malaysian, etc , were all paying up to 40% more than Qantas, all because of the currency exchange. And if the Aussie dollar falls in six months time, then so will the reason of Aussies being the highest paid in the world.
This is probably one reason Qantas feels that it has to push this wage dispute right now, because in 6 to 12 months from now, the Aussie dollar will be back down around 70 odd US Cents, and if they win, Qantas staff wages and costs will be significantly lower than present.
Geoffrey, do you have a work email or telephone contact, as you don't seem to have any point of contact when googled?
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I liked what Alan was quoted in an article saying yesterday.
Something along the lines of A380 Captains are the highest paid employee per hour in QF. $380,000 for 460 hours work was the figure.
I am guessing that the 460 hours is flight hours? And obviously that all pilots do. They would be not preparing flights, travelling to hotels, sim sessions etc etc
9 hours of work a week. Sign me up!
Something along the lines of A380 Captains are the highest paid employee per hour in QF. $380,000 for 460 hours work was the figure.
I am guessing that the 460 hours is flight hours? And obviously that all pilots do. They would be not preparing flights, travelling to hotels, sim sessions etc etc
9 hours of work a week. Sign me up!
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Every time an interview like this is aired I always have one (or several) people I know ask me what I think.
When I inform them of the facts the answer is always "I thought so". Without fail.
When I inform them of the facts the answer is always "I thought so". Without fail.
AJ, how is that faulty calculator going?
460 hours = about 1000 duty hours.
380k/1000 hours = $380 an hour
You now earn $5million per year.
That's 5,000,000 / 380 per hour = 13,157 hours per year you supposedly work.
That's 253 hours per week, yet a week only has 168 hours.
Even if the numbers are based on flight time (not duty time which is absurd), you still claim to work 17 hours per day - what an absolute lie.
460 hours = about 1000 duty hours.
380k/1000 hours = $380 an hour
You now earn $5million per year.
That's 5,000,000 / 380 per hour = 13,157 hours per year you supposedly work.
That's 253 hours per week, yet a week only has 168 hours.
Even if the numbers are based on flight time (not duty time which is absurd), you still claim to work 17 hours per day - what an absolute lie.
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